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I got sent to jail for stealing bran flakes from Asda - but I was a cereal offender !
Life is just a bowl of all bran!
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All together now. Follow the bouncing ball.
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How much did Rees Mogg claim? Seeing as he's one of the bogeymen. Or Boris?
Even you know I didn't miss the point. Some people might want to convince themselves I did though
I'm not sure what the UK legal system would be able to do about someone not paying their taxes in Spain though. Or are we talking about nicking chickens from the Madrid branch of Iceland and wanting the UK legal system to start doing the work of the Spanish legal system?
Of course we would abide by international law and extradite them to Spain at which point it would be up to the Spanish legal system if they wanted to say "pay us 20 euros and we'll call it quits."
If you click on the link you can look up any MP, just click on “My MP” at the top and enter the name or the constituency. You get a detailed breakdown of the claims as well. Most costs are for staffing of parliamentary and constituency offices, and for office and accommodation rents.
Multi-millionaire Rees-Mogg only claimed £125,000.
Boris claimed £148,000.
So someone is making up fake memes then? They look the same as the one you have put up with the HOP/Thames at night background but have Mogg at £500ish!!
If you look down the comments on that Mogg tweet above you can see the meme/picture. Someone being creative? or using different criteria?
EDIT: I'm not sure how that site works. Maybe you can correct why I can;t get the figures to add up. For ease of use I will use Rees Mogg and keep the staff and travel expenses ticked.
Total 2010 to present (8 years) = £125k (as you state.)
If I change the date to just last year (2017-2018) = £125k???
If I change the date to just the year before (2016-2017)£137k???
I'll stop there. £125k + £137k is just using the dates 2016-2018 and comes to £262k. Hoe can those 2 years total that yet 2010-2018 (8 years total) £125k?
EDIT 2: Sorry I have seen my error there that they put the title 2010 to present below the name but it just lists last year. So apparently of the £125k, £124k is on staffing and travel.
I am sure Corbyn, May and Cable do have staff and travel expenses so does that mean that theirs are paid for elsewhere due to them being leaders?
Seems wrong to compare ministers and leaders against MPs when leaders (it seems) have their expenses paid from elsewhere and ministers will have a chunk paid for by government.
For example Tom Brake (most vocal Lib Dem) is £172k, Yvette Cooper is £181k, Ian Blackford SNP is £234k <----- yes his constituency is Scotland but his costs are over £200k when travel expenses are removed.
I am not sure how much we can use these figures to compare like for like when quite obviously some aren't claiming expenses with them being paid from elsewhere ( I doubt their own pockets) and thus they can present their numbers as being better than someone else's?
Does Vince Cable sit in his house, never travel and employ no-one? Or does he share Tom Brake's staff and car share with him? (Yes I'm being cheeky with that last suggestion.)
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Are you suggesting that because I'm an old duffer, and a leftie one to boot, I am incapable of seeing that you have missed the point? That may be a valid argument.
However, I think the point of the original point was about the inequity of the legal system. A chicken stealer would be pursued, while tax dodgers (and expenses-fiddling MPs for that matter) are simply asked nicely if they'd mind re-paying the money they've stashed.
I'm not commenting on whether I agree or not with the original poster. Also have to say I did enjoy your tortuous chicken analogy.
Are you suggesting that because I'm an old duffer, and a leftie one to boot, I am incapable of seeing that you have missed the point? That may be a valid argument.
However, I think the point of the original point was about the inequity of the legal system. A chicken stealer would be pursued, while tax dodgers (and expenses-fiddling MPs for that matter) are simply asked nicely if they'd mind re-paying the money they've stashed.
I'm not commenting on whether I agree or not with the original poster. Also have to say I did enjoy your tortuous chicken analogy.
No. I am saying that you knew I had not missed the point, but thought it would be funny to suggest I hadn't.
And I would like to think that if this country had brought up Mourinho's case that he might actually have had a jail term (no matter how short) and have to repay in full what he had owed (no deals) with penalties on top. Whether that would happen or not is another matter.
I knew where you were heading, just its not that useful to bring up corrupt Spanish legal practices to moan about our own failures. You could bring up the google / Osborne "settlement" and it would be more relative. We all know the system is bad but we've gone through this before. Stealing is stealing, fraud is fraud. We shouldn't keep on trying to alter the fact that people have stolen. The only thing that can be separated from it is the effect it has on others.
So if someone steals large sums from loads of people then of course it is much worse than Iceland finding out a they are a few chickens down or the next xustomer crying because they can;t have a chicken because they've all been nicked. At the end of the day though they are both stealing and thus should be treated equally before considering what effects it has on others andn how that should increase / decrease the sentence.
I think we both know that someone who got caught 40 times nicking chickens would still not go to jail. Not unless they had prior for something much more serious.
Don’t forget MP’s in huge rural constituencies, like some of the SNP MP’s, and most of the shire MP’s, will have more than one constituency office, which have to be staffed and paid for. Just one example, Ian Blackford has offices in Dingwall and Fort William.
The biggest cost by far is on staff, but I imagine a lot of Jeremy Corbyn’s staff are employed by the Labour Party. Theresa May gets a free house to live in, the staff of which are all paid by the taxpayer, but she, like Corbyn, claims for her secretaries in Parliament and in her constituency office.
Did that come out of May's shameless election bribe for power or on top of it?
Sad as it may seem, but I don’t think the police even turn out for shop lifters anymore. There aren’t enough of them apparently.
A man drowned in a bowl of Cheerios.
Sadly, and somewhat ironically, he didn’t have time to say goodbye to his family and friends.
shop lifters?Sad as it may seem, but I don’t think the police even turn out for shop lifters anymore. There aren’t enough of them apparently.