Off Topic Politics Thread

ImpSaint said:

Warehousing space running out over the UK? ther has never been as much warehousing space. But if there is a demand then I bet the prices to rent it are being exploited!!! Maybe rich Brexiteers own all the warehousing and are exploiting the market demand on that?

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Onionman said:

Compare with the letter from the supermarkets and the BRC to MPs today:

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Who'd have thunk it? The people who rent warehouse space know more than Imps.

Don't worry, I know that the management of Sainsburys, Asda, M&S, Co-op, Waitrose, Costcutter, KFC, Pret-a-Manger, Lidl, McDonalds and the British Retail Consortium are all part of an anti-referendum conspiracy. Though I'm sure that at some point those assertions might begin to wear a tad thin even for you.

Is there a weight of evidence where you'll stop telling us it's wrong/biased reporting/the person saying it is biased/on the make/in the pay of the EU and start saying "yes, No Deal will be utterly ****"? Can you see how daft Leave's head-in-the-sand-it'll-all-be-fine attitude looks?

Vin

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St Badger said:

I work in the Lidl depot and see first hand how much stock comes into the chill, freezer, fresh meat/poultry/fish and fruit and veg departments.
We don’t have space to stockpile. And even if we did, some lines, especially salads, don’t have a long enough shelf life to warrant it. At a push we could, with some lines, carry enough perishable stock to supply stores for two days, but that would mean, potentially, items with a seven day life not reaching the stores until they have 4/5 days life left. Less if they have arrived at the depot a day late owing to import issues.
Most of our poultry comes from Ireland, and I believe this is pretty much the same for all supermarkets.
A lot of fruit and veg comes up daily from Spain and a lot of our chill products (as we are a German company) come in everyday from Germany.
Most of the above (probably not the lorries from Germany) will impact on all supermarkets and there will likely be a massive impact on supply when there are delays at borders, as a result of coming out of the customs union.
Delays will impact on the shelf life, which could lead to shortlife products being reduced in price or binned, costing supermarkets a fortune. Those losses will be passed onto the consumer at the till, through increased prices.
Other factors that would push prices up, when lorries start arriving late at the depot, is the need to have staff available to unload them, beyond the shifts that currently end at 13.00 for Goods In. Plus the need for the picking crews to go round the departments twice, to collect items that arrived late, potentially adding more overtime/staff to the wage bill, that will have to be met by someone.
Then, if orders aren’t collated in time, owing to missing/late deliveries arriving, you have the choice of sending shops less than what they ordered, leading to shortages on the shop shelves, or you make the drivers taking the stock to the stores wait, creating a demand for more overtime pay, and a logistical problem when drivers arriving to load up can’t, because the first group of lorries are still occupying the loading bays.

It’s a feck up waiting to happen.

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St Badger said:

I work in the Lidl depot and see first hand how much stock comes into the chill, freezer, fresh meat/poultry/fish and fruit and veg departments.
We don’t have space to stockpile. And even if we did, some lines, especially salads, don’t have a long enough shelf life to warrant it. At a push we could, with some lines, carry enough perishable stock to supply stores for two days, but that would mean, potentially, items with a seven day life not reaching the stores until they have 4/5 days life left. Less if they have arrived at the depot a day late owing to import issues.
Most of our poultry comes from Ireland, and I believe this is pretty much the same for all supermarkets.
A lot of fruit and veg comes up daily from Spain and a lot of our chill products (as we are a German company) come in everyday from Germany.
Most of the above (probably not the lorries from Germany) will impact on all supermarkets and there will likely be a massive impact on supply when there are delays at borders, as a result of coming out of the customs union.
Delays will impact on the shelf life, which could lead to shortlife products being reduced in price or binned, costing supermarkets a fortune. Those losses will be passed onto the consumer at the till, through increased prices.
Other factors that would push prices up, when lorries start arriving late at the depot, is the need to have staff available to unload them, beyond the shifts that currently end at 13.00 for Goods In. Plus the need for the picking crews to go round the departments twice, to collect items that arrived late, potentially adding more overtime/staff to the wage bill, that will have to be met by someone.
Then, if orders aren’t collated in time, owing to missing/late deliveries arriving, you have the choice of sending shops less than what they ordered, leading to shortages on the shop shelves, or you make the drivers taking the stock to the stores wait, creating a demand for more overtime pay, and a logistical problem when drivers arriving to load up can’t, because the first group of lorries are still occupying the loading bays.

It’s a feck up waiting to happen.

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St Badger said:

I work in the Lidl depot and see first hand how much stock comes into the chill, freezer, fresh meat/poultry/fish and fruit and veg departments.
We don’t have space to stockpile. And even if we did, some lines, especially salads, don’t have a long enough shelf life to warrant it. At a push we could, with some lines, carry enough perishable stock to supply stores for two days, but that would mean, potentially, items with a seven day life not reaching the stores until they have 4/5 days life left. Less if they have arrived at the depot a day late owing to import issues.
Most of our poultry comes from Ireland, and I believe this is pretty much the same for all supermarkets.
A lot of fruit and veg comes up daily from Spain and a lot of our chill products (as we are a German company) come in everyday from Germany.
Most of the above (probably not the lorries from Germany) will impact on all supermarkets and there will likely be a massive impact on supply when there are delays at borders, as a result of coming out of the customs union.
Delays will impact on the shelf life, which could lead to shortlife products being reduced in price or binned, costing supermarkets a fortune. Those losses will be passed onto the consumer at the till, through increased prices.
Other factors that would push prices up, when lorries start arriving late at the depot, is the need to have staff available to unload them, beyond the shifts that currently end at 13.00 for Goods In. Plus the need for the picking crews to go round the departments twice, to collect items that arrived late, potentially adding more overtime/staff to the wage bill, that will have to be met by someone.
Then, if orders aren’t collated in time, owing to missing/late deliveries arriving, you have the choice of sending shops less than what they ordered, leading to shortages on the shop shelves, or you make the drivers taking the stock to the stores wait, creating a demand for more overtime pay, and a logistical problem when drivers arriving to load up can’t, because the first group of lorries are still occupying the loading bays.

It’s a feck up waiting to happen.

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Brinkworth Saint said:

So if this all happens who will be buying the stuff that we will ‘be short of’? I may be missing something but if the veg and fruit can’t get through, then presumably the growers will be either composting it or selling to someone else. The trees and crops themselves aren’t aware of the Brexit dilemma and therefore can’t adjust their growing process.

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St Badger said:

If we go to hard borders, with all the necessary checks, the produce will get through but will be slower and later, potentially creating short life problems.
Consumers may have to consider, with short life commodities, ignoring use by dates, shopping daily or going without.
Growers will continue to produce and sell to those who buy. If they lose sales, and can’t find alternative buyers, they may have to cut production, by not planting so many crops or breeding as many animals, with the knock on effect in their area/country of job losses.
There may even be contracts in place where the buyers are committed to buying X amount of stock, over a period of time to get the best price, which I have seen where I work when a meat product wasn’t selling as well as expected, but we couldn’t reduce our order with the supplier.

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Onionman said:

Compare with the letter from the supermarkets and the BRC to MPs today:

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Who'd have thunk it? The people who rent warehouse space know more than Imps.

Don't worry, I know that the management of Sainsburys, Asda, M&S, Co-op, Waitrose, Costcutter, KFC, Pret-a-Manger, Lidl, McDonalds and the British Retail Consortium are all part of an anti-referendum conspiracy. Though I'm sure that at some point those assertions might begin to wear a tad thin even for you.

Is there a weight of evidence where you'll stop telling us it's wrong/biased reporting/the person saying it is biased/on the make/in the pay of the EU and start saying "yes, No Deal will be utterly ****"? Can you see how daft Leave's head-in-the-sand-it'll-all-be-fine attitude looks?

Vin

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