Anyone else been harassed like dogs by those Unite muppets mooching round town centres bothering decent folk on the move? I was called a Tory by some young lass today for saying ‘please leave me alone..I have no interest in what you have to say’... hate the Tory’s, hate Corbyn. The little commie no mark should learn some manners and understand that trade unions no longer run people’s lives. They have a valuable place to a degree. But they do not Have the right to treat others like scum. Power to the people yes. Lack of respect no.
Of the many things that hack me off about the Corbynistas, this is the worst of them. "Don't agree with every word I say? You're a Tory, or possibly a fascist" What a brilliant way to convert people to your point of view. Good luck winning elections with that approach. Of course most of them don't bloody care about winning elections or helping the people they pretend to care about. They much prefer being smug in the knowledge that they're right, and everyone else is either stupid or evil for not agreeing with them.
You know what. They were pushing an agenda about tax credits. They would have been better off collecting for charity or a food bank. Instead of using the poorer folk as a tool of debate they should have looked to help them via collections. Showing their true colours.
You are fortunate enough to have been born in a time when you could take the achievements of previous trade union activists as given. They were not. They were a result of desperate struggle. Please do your brain a favour.
I think point is that you wouldn't need food banks if the benefits system hadn't been used as a weapon against the poor in recent years. I'm not even sure if I had heard of a food bank before 2010 and now it rolls off the tongue without a thought. It's a disgrace that people in this country have to rely on these to feed their families.
I just don’t like anyone stopping me in the streets and foisting their crap on me. It’s political and nothing more. I should indeed do my brain a favour (thanks for the advice) and challenge them to enter a debate with me rather that tow the ‘party’ line like the sheep they are. I’m fortunate to be born in a society that encourages free thinking and allows me to be offended when my path is physically blocked by muppetry bollocks.
Agree. Society has been ****ed over by Tory and labour weasel alike for years. I do my bit for food banks as often as I can. We cannot solve the issue but we can help alleviate it.
it's funny that we have a Government Disaster slush fund set aside for any country that has a natural disaster yet we can't help the people of our own country that have been affected by a disaster created by our own politicians - Poverty
We also donate millions to Pakistan and India to help with poverty. And both countries spend billions on nuclear weapons.....
They obviously went about things in the wrong way with you on the street but unless you were born with the silver spoon you have a hell of a lot to thank unions for.
This is historically true but currently of debatable relevance. In the period of large, monolithic employers (factories, shipyards, mills) the unions were the only protection that the worker had. They fought necessary, ugly battles. The battles were economic savagery on both sides. The employers tried to starve the workers into submission, the unions tried to drive the employers to the brink of bankruptcy. We enjoy the benefits of them Like every institution, however, the unions became largely interested in their own well being. The employers that they were created to oppose largely disappeared. The large unionised employers now tend to be public sector. The battles aren't about who can bankrupt whom. They're about how much inconvenience the unions can inflict on the public and who they can get the public to blame for the inconvenience. A tube strike, for example. Rather than the poor fighting the rich, it is often very well paid union leaders urging relatively well paid employees to create problems for more poorly paid members of the public who depend on their services.
You could interpret that as non-unionised workers having their pay and rights eroded, then instead of doing something productive about it (like forming/joining a union), blaming the people who pay their subs and go out on strike to protect their pay and rights. If we were all unionised, the average salary would be a lot higher in the private sector and pay inequality, working poverty etc. would be less of an issue.
For me it's a joke the excuses unions use for causing disruption to other people. Train drivers/tube drivers ( Health & Safety on door closing ) Loads of trains operate a one man operation without issue and magically it isn't an issue if they get a pay rise. It's not as if they are badly paid to start with £60K+ I used to be a shop steward many a year ago but stopped when I saw officials only being out for themselves. Some were the worst workers we had but hoped by being union officials they were fire protected and unsackable. Sense of satisfaction I got many years later when I dismissed a real Red Robbo after he pushed a customer down some stairs and he genuinely thought he was unsackable , as did his union superiors. ( He lost his tribunal when it was thrown out )
Unions were there worst enemy back In the day I remember my dad telling the tale of the shop stewards at Clarke Chapman coming in dressed on a Monday morning... And my dad saying to his pal... "were going out today"... "how de ye na that deka?"..... "you don't come to work dressed like them two" Sure enough a flash vote because the hot water in the bait room was off and bang there off to pelaw club for a canny session.... My dad hates Labour now with a passion this a man who carried the card back in the day border line communist.. Now he does not give a **** there all out for one thing... Themselves.
You could look at things that way but I think the reality is that the world has changed. Unions are increasingly dinosaurs. They serve themselves and their members. This is fair enough; why should they give a **** about anyone else ? They just can't expect sympathy from people they are ****ing around any more than their employers can.
This will all soon be irrelevant. According to experts by around 2030 (I think) a robot will be able to do everything better than a human.
