Wenger: "I love Arshavin" Wenger: "I love the FA Cup" (takes from sky sports article titles) Is he subtly insinuating that the FA Cup is lazy, off-form and seemingly useless, telling the intelligent people in the World that he will play a B team for it and suggesting 'between the lines' that we should bet on Arsenal losing tomorrow? Or does he just a bit gay?
To who? The only top player we sold was Cesc and was because he wanted to play for his childhood club The reason we haven't bought anyone is because no one is available
If we paid the first 4 what they wanted in order for them to stay, we would only afford to have a 4 man squad now!
leave him be half full. PNEawf, jayram and a few others on this board are just completely against wenger. its as if they don't remember when we did well... maybe they're 'loser' seekers, y'know, like the opposite of glory seekers.
I'm kidding mate. didn't u see my article i think titled "transfer window"? (it might have been that 1) i also agree wenger needs to leave. i was wumming for fun
Funny how other teams manage to have a squad of players while operating under the same constraints as us.
Only one team is managing to employ Clichy, Adebayor, Toure & Nasri (the 4 I was referring to) and that's City. For you to suggest we can match their spending power is more than a little absurd tbh.
Aaaaah ... memories. Did you know that football was beamed to TVs in black and white once upon a time. Liverpool USED to win championships too. History .... did you know dinosaurs once walked the earth, behemoths they were I tell you. Does anyone remember what Formula 1 cars looked like in the 80s ?? Madness I tell you and the first F1 cars with rear wings looked absurd, they were up in the air .. possibly 2 metres off the ground. Bizarre really, thank goodness for wind tunnels and computer modelling eh. Memories .... why look to the future when you can live in the past
Jayram, I don't agree with this at all. WE have won lots of big games with Wenger, need I remind you of winning the league at Old Trafford ? We wouldn't possibly have gone the entire season unbeaten had he not set up the team to win big games. The problem is simple, he's buying the wrong players now and not playing the right systems.
In fairness if you dropped Almunia and Arshavin's wages you could have afforded Clichy. If you had dropped Arteta and Chamakh's wages you could have afforded Nasri. Theres too many "squad players" in Arsenals side right now and a reluctance to give enough to keep your top players. But the same will happen to Spurs over the next few seasons with people coming in for Modric and Bale.
This argument has got a little murky. Wenger doesnt buy players, Wenger buys too many players, Wenger doesn't buy the right players, Wenger sold too many players, the squad isn't deep enough... I'm not sure a few of those aren't mutually exclusive. I still maintain that Arsenal fans are upset with results, rather than anything specific Wenger has done. As soon as people start to critique his actual decisions, the argument often breaks down. With our injury record, the last few years, we have played up to 35-40 different players in a season. With a youth program and a reserve squad 71 players isn't that much.
To deal with your criticisms: 1. Arshavin is the only one in my opinion that falls into this category - can't understand it either. 2. Dont agree with this. Everytime we let in a goal, some wag says that we didn't get the basics right, but mistakes happen. Every goal scored is a mistake of some sort. 3. I don't think you really know this. This is a huge assumption. How do you know what his tactics are? 4. No team can win with injuries like we have. Even Mancini was bleating about being short of players and he has fewer out than we do. 5. When you are asked what is wrong, and why did you lose, anything you say in reply is likely to be considered an excuse. This one is weak. 6. Again, saying the players don't give 100% is just wrong and I think a little malicious. I don't see signs of his at all. If anything I think a few players have tried too hard and got winded. 7. He has many defensive coaches. Really don't get this. 8. This plan B stupidity again. What is this plan B rubbish. If you buy players for a 433, you train players every day in a 433, why in the world would you think they could do better in a 442? This doesn't even work in Championship Manager any more. 9. Does he do this? Please show me the quote? 10. Havent seen the manager play a single pass all season. I think it still comes down to you thinking you could manage the club better, based on a financial situation you are guessing at, and tactical instructions he has given, which you are also guessing at. But you only think that because you don't like the results he is getting. What is interesting is that you are not alone. The average Arsenal fan, despite it being utterly crazy that they would be able to manage a football team, and a football club, believes that they could do both better than a man that even other managers say is one of the best, and a board that are running a club that everyone says is one of the best run, most financially sound football clubs in the world. This despite the fact that most of those fans don't have the coaching qualifications to manage a team of 13 year-olds and don't know the fundementals of corporate finance. The 'mob' mentality gathers credentials and strength from numbers, not the voracity of the argument, nor their qualifications, or the weight of evidence. I will accept that Wenger and the board are not winning trophies and I would like them to do that. However, I don't know whether it is reasonable for me to expect trophies, or not. I am a qualified football coach and a referee, and I have worked in finance, but I don't feel qualified to judge Wenger, because I just don't know enough facts. All I can tell you, is that if the teams I coached did exactly what I wanted them to do, only half the time, I'd be manager of England right now. And if all my investments in people, or the market, worked exactly the way I thought they would, only half the time, I'd be Bill Gates. You are in error if you think that the star players you would sign, would automatically be successful, or that the money you invested in them would make the club stronger, or that tactics would work out the way you would like. (By the way, I am not Fabio Capello, or Bill Gates)
You are entitled to your opinion, but don't tell me that I am not entitled to mine. My opinion based on lack of a factual argument from you, or anything other than a gross over-simplification of the issues, is that your opinion is unqualified and that it carries no weight. So you think Wenger is a poor coach, who misses the obvious tactically, plays the wrong players, buys the wrong players and doesn't spend money because he is stubborn and doesnt care if Arsenal don't win. I think you over-simplify, don't understand the complexity of managing, coaching or running a modern football club and are forming your opinion based solely on the fact that Arsenal don't win trophies. I wonder who is most likely to be correct.
just visiting - I'm not stayiing.... 'So you think Wenger is a poor coach, who misses the obvious tactically, plays the wrong players, buys the wrong players and doesn't spend money because he is stubborn' A good summary.
I haven't looked at Jayram's list but here are my issues with Wenger: 1) General refusal to make changes quickly. He did so against Man U which was the first time I can remember. 2) He doesn't pick teams to suit playing the opposition. 3) He doesn't pick formations or change formations to suit playing opposition 4) He continually plays players out of position making them completely useless to us 5) He is tactically ****e 6) He buys too many players not fit for purpose 7) He is ungracious in defeat thats my list of annoyances regarding Le Prof
I have countered your counter comments in bold You may be a coach but I've played for enough managers to know that, having FA badges means F'all if you've never played football to a decent level and if you don't understand football. I've also played at a high enough level to know that, when a manager tells you to do something, you better do it otherwise you will be taken off and lose your place in the team. I don't need FA badges to know why English players are so bad, you have the likes of Howard Wilkinson who was heading up the FA's Technical Development section - and where is his legacy of young English footballers ? English managers and coaches are only now learning how to coach kids - 20 years behind the rest of Europe they are !! Toledo - if you are going to argue, don't stick your head in the ground !!
