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I think he's brilliant personally, but unfortunately he will be ultimately unelectable due to his views on deportation and the like.

He does stand for a lot of common sense, but it's too late to sway the liberals, and America has more bloody do-gooders than we do.

 

I am not sure Corbyn is that unelectable to be honest.

I would NEVER vote for him - because I am a 40+ something with a small property portfolio and a decent job. I also (crucially) have gained experience of living through the 1970s and whilst the weather, the TV shows and music were all good, the state of our economy was definitely NOT. I was only a kid, but I remember the winter of discontent and the 4-day week. My dad worked at Rolls Royce and they were always on strike - but at work they sat around and played cards - it really was a case of the tail wagging the dog - and the tail very nearly broke the dog (in the case of British Leyland it DID).

Socialism IS a nice idea - and in utopia it would work, but it doesnt make allowances for the fact that we are HUMAN and we are ALL out for ourselves. The workers think that they break their backs to sweat for what they see as fatcat bosses, but turn all that around and they would sit around playing cards or going sick, but still collect their salaries which SOMEONE is expected to pay. Can't you remember being at school and what it felt like on the odd occasion the school closed unexpectedly, or the teacher left the room for any length of time? Take the piss? damned right we did! we ALL did - its human nature.

The trouble is, a lot of young people - plus people who's roots are not in this country will not have experienced that - and to be honest I can understand why - disaffected young people are leaving university at 22ish, some with a degree, but they owe £40k+ before they have even taken their first day at a job - if they can land anything better than delivering pizzas or working in a bar that is. And housing? thats a laugh - most havent a hope of getting their own house until at least 35. That is VERY painful and I am VERY glad I am not starting out in my 20s now (although I wouldn't mind some of my physical attributes from back then!).
Corbyn promises them an end to all that - no more student debt, a house, a decent job (yeah right!), with everyone loving each other (yeah right!) - funded by scrapping the expensive Trident and a few unnecessary soldiers and sailors and taxing a few rich people - after all, why would hard up young people, or immigrants care about that? Their only experience of war has been watching the (illegal IMO) Iraq war on TV and by playing Medal of Honor on their playstations. They are so far detatched from the reality of the Cold War - and they are told that the trouble in France was caused by our Iraq adventure, so we would be making a statement of peace by retreating from the world stage (yeah right!)

We 40+ somethings know that is all bullshit and would end in an utter disaster, but the likes of MTG still believe it - and I don't blame them - it offers them a quick fix - a drug hit to believe in - and they WILL vote for him in their thousands. Austerity is hurting - the young in particular, so this offers them a fairytale to get behind and believe in, that promises them a life of jobs, prosperity, and a world which is safe because everyone loves each other with no wars.

I know someone who has been a lifelong member of the Labour party and she is really excited by the takeup of new party membership - particularly amongst the younger population.

I just hope there are enough of us older ones with life experience who will get off our backsides and vote against him - for Britain's sake.

 

You worry to much R&W, most of us were 'lefties' when we were Shiny's and MTG's age.

More of a worry is Corbyn being the disaster he is won't hold the weak Cameron to account.
We'll be stuck with namby pamby, don't rock the boat policies.
Whereas we need strong clear leadership to negotiate a fair deal for the UK.
Getting 28 countries to agree is impossible and laughable to think they could.
We shouldn't need a referendum - if it isn't fair Cameron should have the balls to tell Europe to do one.

Merkel is now crapping herself and will live to regret the 'you can all come here policy'.
It's UK big business who want immigration/cheap labour that keeps them clamouring to stay in.
The Unions will catch up one day.

 

Ken Livingstone now put in charge of the Labour Party Trident committee

You couldn't make it up - as if having a veggie heading up the shadow committee for meat wasn't comedy enough - whatever next?

 

suicide bomber "waiting to go" in northern paris surrenders in the time honoured way blows herself up! without serious injury to others so no place for her "wherever they think they go"

RAQQA .... isis move to Mosel must be a good opportunity to sort them out before they get there? IRAQ HAVE THEIR OWN ON THE GROUND ARMY so lets hope they move to do something

CORBYN there was a lot of people joined LABOUR just to make sure CORBYN got in, designed to cause them as much embarrassment as possible when he got elected,

 

The worlds in a mess. The West has exploited the rest of world for centuries and is now financially unstable. There are umpteen previously suppressed sects/countries (including ISIS) who now have the wherewithal to fight back and are saying its payback time (one man’s terrorist..). All we can do is to try and minimise the effect on our society. Now how those attempts to minimise the effect are perceived is in the lap of the gods.

 

ISIS /ISAL is not a country they are a group that parasitically use another groups religion as an excuse to do what twisted minds do ...

 

Merkel is now crapping herself and will live to regret the 'you can all come here policy'

I think the Austrians will be feeling the same. Short sighted doesn't even come close. What the hell were they thinking when the Greeks, Hungarians and every other crossing point to Western Europe said 'um, no ta' to a mass of humanity, but particularly lots of young men, flooding into their countries.

I'm glad I visited Germany (Munich) for the first time ever last year. I don't reckon I will be rushing back now it's full of immigrants.

Wait for the suicide bombings to start there next.

 

That's why I said a sect ..Der. As I understand they are a based on a discrete minority Muslim sect previously dominated by Saddam Hussian who want their own state . As with most things in the Middle East we get drawn in on humanitarian (and oil based) grounds. The Paris attacks are their way of saying "keep your noses out of our business". Doesn't make it right but that's how I read it. Its the latest in a catalogue of Middle East "incidents".

 

Merkel will be booted out at the next election.

Cameron needs to pull his socks up and grow some balls or he is going to be known as a very very weak prime minister.

Obama and him are very weak when it comes to defence.

 

DC cant be any weaker or more arse licking than Blair was. Or as big a liar....

 

Define weakness (and strength)!

 

You read it wrong .. Muslim / Islamic faith is defined within its religious beliefs, iSIS / ISAL need something to attach to, parasitic coupling, the nearest thing is the faith they do not believe in, but were brought up under the shadow of.
Unfortunately the human race has always had the gullible very gullible and the exploiters...

there no real definition of weakness or strength unless you put it into a context, it is like hot and cold where exactly do they become the opposite, absolute or coldest temp is about -274 centigrade whilst the suns surface is 5500 centigrade .. core being 15 000 000 centigrade so they don't meet in the middle!
Steam is +101 c but can also be much less
experiment put finger 1" from spout of boiling kettle put finger 5" from boiling kettle its the same steam!.....

 

Trump is everything that is wrong with America.

Hopefully Corbyn will inspire younger people to vote so that they aren't neglected by austerity more than any other age group. In 60 years we risk being a nation of non voters, I reckon voting should be mandatory like in Australia.

 

Trump believes that the troubles of the world can be eliminated if you allow everybody to possess a gun and has said that there would have been fewer casualties in Paris if that were the case. Has he noticed the continued mass shootings or is he just like the rest of the thick Americans who still believe that god will be the answer rather than gun control? My message to the voting world is be careful who you elect and if you fail to see the insanity signs during the election then you may get more than you expected. The world gets more insane each day.

 

'Hopefully Corbyn will inspire younger people to vote so that they aren't neglected by austerity more than any other age group.'

Try telling that to my 92 year old Dad, you stupid boy.
Reckons he'd be better off jumping (if we was able) on to a lorry in Calais claiming asylum in Dover.
And that you fool is from somebody who fought for you, 70 plus years ago, to come up with your utter naivety.

 

Sorry I read it wrong, ISIS are Sunnis who were led by Saddam Hussein despite being in the minority. Presumably having lost this power they want to separate from the Shia majority and have their own state. As I said previously there are literally dozens of sects areas around the world who want automony. As regards weakness others stated that Cameron and Obama were weak. I just sought comment. To me there is no right or wrong answer.

 

At least we can agree that austerity is a bad thing then.

 

Yes it is.. and it was caused by the last labour government (who I voted for and they then taxed me till I squeaked and will never get my vote again) who spent more money than we actually had to spend and then left a note for the next government laughing at the fact the money was all spent..

Do you support yourself MTG?

When you run out of money towards the end of the month you need to cut back, thats called austerity.. at least it is to the rest of us in the real world.

 

You are mistaking labour for the bankers who caused the global financial crisis. Even with austerity the deficit is still increasing. The way to decrese it is increase gdp and then reap the rewards which like investments requires initial capital which can be achieved by borrowing.

When you run out of money and then more needs to be taken off then you become ****ed. A bit like the poor people who the government are ****ing through taking away tax credits. Which person does £1,500 mean more to, a poor person or a rich person?