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It's not only Sherwood...

Discussion in 'Tottenham Hotspur' started by PatJenningsHairdresser, Mar 30, 2014.

  1. PatJenningsHairdresser

    PatJenningsHairdresser New Member

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    OK, he's not great but he must know roughly what he's doing (he certainly knows more than I do) so let's park him as a subject.

    But I do know that good players generally make good teams generally win more matches - and we've just been lucky to get nil against red scouse so it's mainly the team, isn't it? Would the same Liverpooh team have lost today if I'd been their coach? Or if Sherwood had? I don't think so.

    Oh, and while I'm on, LVG would be another expensive mistake - Rafa Benítez anyone?
     
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  2. PleaseNotPoll

    PleaseNotPoll Well-Known Member Forum Moderator

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    The manager's responsible for his team selection and that one made no sense.
    He's also responsible for the attitudes of the players that he puts out there and they were appalling today, following on from a similar display against Southampton in the first half.

    If he can't pick some sensible tactics and can't motivate the players, then I'm not entirely sure what he is doing, to be honest.
    His retreat to the stands seem rather cowardly too, along with poorly judged statements to the press.
     
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  3. Moorpheus19

    Moorpheus19 Well-Known Member

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    To me, it says that he either plain didn't know what to do or that he's off in the Summer and so has stopped caring. He didn't even get angry when we conceded - it's as if he expected it.

    I actually feel sorry for him, because he is incredibly out of his depth.
     
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  4. PowerSpurs

    PowerSpurs Well-Known Member

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    I'm sure he knows more about football management than anyone on this Board. Unfortunately that isn't sufficient to make him an above average manager.
     
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  5. Spurf

    Spurf Thread Mover Forum Moderator

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    Todays performance shows little in Sherwoods favour. He can't be responsible for the mistakes by Kaboul & Dawson they can happen to any player but he can be responsible for them being under such intense pressure in the first place. Just as Rogers has his team motivated it appears Sherwood has failed in that area. Then you have decisions like Eriksen on the wing?? Why? and Bentaleb a decent player but he is not a replacement fro Sandro or Dembele is he. To be fair he has a lot of injuries to cope with but today has made him look pretty clueless.
     
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  6. No Kane No Gain

    No Kane No Gain Well-Known Member

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    I disagree. Your manager needs to match the ability of your team and I don't think Sherwood's even a Championship standard manager at the moment. Not all his fault but even if you take out the goals we gifted them Liverpool still had a comfortable stroll in the park against a team set up badly.
     
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  7. The RDBD

    The RDBD Well-Known Member

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    "I actually feel sorry for him"

    I don't (if the rumours that he has fronted his way to a 1m payout are true) .
     
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  8. remembercolinlee

    remembercolinlee Well-Known Member

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    11-1 agg v city
    5-1 agg v chelsea
    4-0 agg v arsenal over 3 matches
    9-0 agg v liverpool
    ....9 matches 2 goals for 29 conceded 1 draw 8 losses 0 wins

    nothing about the management of our club from players bought, players sold, tactics or actual managers makes sense...and that has got to be down to levy.

    sack avb after letting him spend all that money ... claims that avb didnt want most of them in the first place...ade left out when we couldnt buy a goal, soldado dropped after eventually scoring...sherwood claiming he dont want certain players...talk of buying caulker back ... selling defoe and not replcing him. .. the list is endless...and we are simply embarrassing
     
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  9. yidokev

    yidokev Active Member

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    Completely disagree with that, If a player doesn't give a f*** not much the manager can do apart from drop him but you cant drop an entire team. Vertonghen summed up the attitude today, couldn't wait to get off the pitch. Also have you ever seen a defender go off the pitch before a free kick on the edge of your own box, surely he could've waited until the free kick had been taken before requesting treatment, the sooner that p**** goes the better
     
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  10. PleaseNotPoll

    PleaseNotPoll Well-Known Member Forum Moderator

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    The manager is responsible for motivating the players or removing those that he can't motivate.
    If Sherwood can take credit for getting Adebayor approaching games with the right attitude, then he can take the blame for half of the team failing to do so in this case.
     
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  11. NSIS

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    It seems patently clear that, just like the last days of AVB, the players have no faith or belief in their manager, or in what he's asking them to do. Today, was a classic example of a team who just gave up.
     
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  12. PowerSpurs

    PowerSpurs Well-Known Member

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    Indeed and the two things (if true) might even be related. If the rest of the squad were supportive of AVB's reasons for leaving Adebayor out, then Sherwood might well be demotivating them by selecting him.
     
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  13. FedLadSonOfAnfield

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    LFC fan in peace. You didn't even start today to be able to give up. Think we had the game won before the teams came out of the tunnel. I was nervous about this game because theoretically it should've been a tough one, thought it would be an edgy game with possibly only a goal in it. I don't know what's gone on behind the scenes to have made you capitulate so easily, sorry to say because you started to play some nice stuff when Sherwood first took over. Anyway, good luck with the rest of your season.
     
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  14. Boss

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    What about when Avb was here and Man City hammered us? Should we blame Adebayor for that result and lack of team spirit.?
     
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    We don't actually know how this would have worked out had we not gifted them two goals. You do? Like you know that Palace would beat Chelsea and West Ham get a 0-0 at their place? Nothing is certain, but it is quite likely that if you give a good team already playing with confidence a 2-0 start you are not going to win and likely things will get worse.
     
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  16. PowerSpurs

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    No idea since I don't know why Adebayor was being left out. I've always said it is the manager's job to keep the whole squad motivated and happy but was told by everyone that some players are beyond this and it wasn't Harry's fault that eg Taarabt and Dos Santos were poorly behaved. The only reason that Sherwood got off to a good start was by selecting Ade who repaid his faith, but if that lost him the rest of the squad that must go in the balance too.
     
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  17. PleaseNotPoll

    PleaseNotPoll Well-Known Member Forum Moderator

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    I wonder how our defence compares under the two managers?
     
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  18. NSIS

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    Listening to Sherwood's brief post match talk with the BBC this morning, I'm convinced that he's been taking lessons from Harry. Nothing is ever his fault. He said that we made individual errors, you can train them but you can't legislate for that, etc. he then says that we too have some excellent players, but that they didn't show it yesterday. Why's that then Tim??....
     
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  19. Spurf

    Spurf Thread Mover Forum Moderator

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    Sherwood came over as a defeated man at his post match interview. Yes I know we had been defeated but the manager has to maintain an upbeat we can be better, we were unlucky front. Instead he looked and sounded almost depressed, that will finish him IMO.
     
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  20. humanbeingincroydon

    humanbeingincroydon Well-Known Member

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    As I said after the Southampton game, he suddenly went from wearing the body warmer and tracksuit that he was comfortable wearing to wearing a suit - something a sports psychologist would have a field day with, saying he is hiding behind a suit so the players respect his authoritah.

    His skulking off to the stands didn't help.
     
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