May won't act unilaterally, and nor should she. The EU is showing it doesn't give a stuff for its citizens by rebuffing her offer. Re German automotive, see my last post but one (# 7435) when I said: "The EU gloves came off on June 23rd, and being nice now just makes us a patsy. At some point, sense will prevail at national level (most probably Germany, under pressure from its industry) and a compromise will be reached." Isn't that consistent?
In this frame of mind, I'd like to second you for sole political speaker on the Question Time panel, Uber. It'll be over quickly and I can get an early night!
Quite right, she won't act unilaterally, but you said she can't. Admirably consistently throughout this thread you have argued that the German car industry is the key to the whole thing, and it's needs will dictate the settlement. I think it's probably the easiest part to settle, no tariffs either way for cars - keeps Nissan, Toyota, JLR etc happy too. That's if we get a sector by sector negotiation. And if all the other countries agree. As you indicate this is a massive task, and we are not staffed or experienced to do it, certainly not in two years. I suspect we will default into the 'clean Brexit' position we discussed last night, and then hope to open trade discussions sharpish. It will keep most of the Brexit voters happy, until they see what it does to their standard of living.
She can do what she likes, but I meant she can't act unilaterally without risking giving away a negotiating point. Hopefully EU nationals in the UK will take heart that she has gone this far, which is a good sign for them unless the EU are going to be ridiculous on this issue, which I doubt. Yes, clean Brexit does look the most likely if the EU decide to play hardball throughout the negotiations. I find it fascinating. Are Brussels the masters or, at the end of the day, the (civil) servants? Will they be overridden by national governments. Will forthcoming elections cut the legs from under them or will the European poplace ultimately shelter within the EU?
What is the alternative to a unilateral declaration the EU. nationals can stay ? This is not a question of retaining negotiating power - this is a question of protection of human rights, which should fall outside of the EU. negotiations. There are 3.5 million EU. citizens in the UK. and about 1.5 million British in the EU - any question of enforced repatriation of such a number would raise serious questions in international law and in the UN.
Some twat on Question Time (in the audience) straight in with the 'will of the people' crap. So, now, on top of Boris wanting to retain freedom of movement, David Davies is happy to continue paying the EU for access to the single market (and thereby playing by all of its rules). Tell you what, let's just forget this Brexit stuff shall we? Now some Leave businessman on the panel doing the enemy within, conspiracy to defeat 'the people' by the 'metropolitan elite' bollocks. Had enough, switching channels.
Yes but there woiuld be plenty of empty flats and houses for the people coming back to the UK. Look on the positive side of things for a change>
Wise up Strolls the metropolitan elite of Richmond are unpatriotic traitors, who should be denied any democratic rights if they flout the majority with such reckless abandon. They have shown our enemies in the EU that we are not united in our defiance of their tyranny! I have an uncontrollable urge to vote Liberal Democrat next time, despite the fact that their leader is a religious nutter. Nice place Richmond, I got married there.
I can't see a great Lib Dem revival as Richmond has been Lib Dem regularly in the past 30 years. Entirely predictable result as Goldsmith's gamble backfired and the Remainers got their revenge. Farron really isn't that charismatic to lead a charge for them...
IMO I think it's a waste of time and energy to even think about TM She is frankly a Tory witch I have no interests in the other parties either as the whole thing is in flux The whole thing is not working You only have to look at Gatwick where I am at the moment to witness what free movement is ... how they deinvent that is crazy If closed people just want to stay and live in the UK then that's up to them I feel a wonderful release feeling just when I board a plane ... pity the people behind me as my bowel is rotten
Not necessarily. Polls suggest that 20-40% of Leave voters want to stay in the single market, even if it means sacrificing some control over immigration. There is no mandate for hard Brexit.
Does anyone really think the pesky foreigners will be kicked out and the brits that don't want to live there will be sent home Although if there's going to be lots of cheap Spanish homes it might be a good time to renew the Irish passport
I don't listen to JOB's radio show, but I do enjoy the facebook clips. He comes across as a little conceited in this interview, but he is very good at making people examine their knee-jerk positions. https://www.buzzfeed.com/matthewcha...-radio-viral?utm_term=.ovxlM26eJK#.npQOyVMj89
He's the bloke most famous for having an argument on air with Frank Lampard about the latter's treatment of his ex wife isn't he? According to his wiki page he has also worked for both the Mail and Express at some stage. I'll have to listen to him to see if his previous employment has resulted in a knee jerk position on my part.
Lets see what Guy Verhofstadt says after next weeks by election in Sleaford and North Hykehamin? In fact I would like to see his face after the 5th Dec (Italy) and when Norbert Hofer wins in Austria and maybe Le Pen in France to finish off the EU.
