I'm sure France would be happy with Assoociate Membership after next years elections!
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It will never happen. just like all the rubbish about Irish passports and another vote or Bexit was not legal.
See how many of the 48% will go and live in Europe?
The EU will collapse because it won't adapt. I would always like close ties with Europe but I want to be govererned by our laws. Us leaving may shake it up and a new better Europe may evolve.
See how many of the 48% will go and live in Europe?
The EU will collapse because it won't adapt. I would always like close ties with Europe but I want to be govererned by our laws. Us leaving may shake it up and a new better Europe may evolve.
This will be interesting in early December.
Steve Eisman was the guy who I saw talking about brexit a while back.
http://www.thisismoney.co.uk/money/...ecember-vote-spells-trouble-Matteo-Renzi.html
Steve Eisman was the guy who I saw talking about brexit a while back.
http://www.thisismoney.co.uk/money/...ecember-vote-spells-trouble-Matteo-Renzi.html
Calls for investigations and recounts in swing states in the US. Clinton apparently got 7% less votes in states and counties with electronic voting compared to those counting manually. Republicans will have no grounds to object - Trump said all along he reserved the right to challenge 'suspicious' results, didn't he? A bit like Fuhrage saying a 52-48 vote in the EU referendum would be 'unfinished business' when he thought Leave would lose.
Maybe the U.K.government should ask for Clinton to be made American ambassador to the U.K.
**** off. We want Kim Kardashian. As Alec Stock used to say, you can't be a top performaer without a big arse.
I can't quite decide if you are actually talking about Kims derriere.......or referring to Kanye?
Autumn Statement.
Not unreasonable to believe that we will be worse off to start with.
However, to forecast that we will be a £120bn worse off, to me, seems likely that is a horrible worst case scenario so that when it is 'only' £70bn (or whatever), they can then say how well they've done.
Too cynical?
Not unreasonable to believe that we will be worse off to start with.
However, to forecast that we will be a £120bn worse off, to me, seems likely that is a horrible worst case scenario so that when it is 'only' £70bn (or whatever), they can then say how well they've done.
Too cynical?
How true. Predictions of complicated, interdependent issues are very tricky and prone to assumptions that don't actually come true.
What a pity they can't even get their sums right when adding up what has happened - never mind predict the future.
It's irrelevant, the American election system, like the UK, is not decided by popular vote. She could have one by more than 10 million votes it won't make a difference.
Hammond didn't say much about the JAMs did he?
I'll tell what he should've stood up and done:
I'll tell what he should've stood up and done:
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I'm confused. We are heading to £2 trillion of debt. We are 30% less productive than the US and Germany. We essentially are continuing austerity, with a bit of extra borrowing.
Last time we had a national debt this big was at the end of WW2. After that we managed to set up the NHS, establish the welfare state, start a massive house building programme, support a military far bigger than it is now, research and build our own nuclear bombs, and nationalise critical and failing industries. In a country devastated by 6 years of total war.
What's the difference? I think it's because we are now led by cowards and weaklings who are obsessed with the balance sheet and keeping their jobs, rather than politicians who want to change things for the better.
Last time we had a national debt this big was at the end of WW2. After that we managed to set up the NHS, establish the welfare state, start a massive house building programme, support a military far bigger than it is now, research and build our own nuclear bombs, and nationalise critical and failing industries. In a country devastated by 6 years of total war.
What's the difference? I think it's because we are now led by cowards and weaklings who are obsessed with the balance sheet and keeping their jobs, rather than politicians who want to change things for the better.
Real wages not expected to reach 2008 levels for at least another five years. Those on low incomes hit worst, as always.
EU Parliament votes to stop discussions with Turkey re joining. Not binding but another Brextard lie exposed, Turkey is not going to join the EU.
EU Parliament votes to stop discussions with Turkey re joining. Not binding but another Brextard lie exposed, Turkey is not going to join the EU.
Bob Hazell was on the One Show tonight with Adrian Chiles talking about a WBA charity game in the 70s where a team of whites played a team of blacks. Chiles said that at the time they thought it was quite progressive, but that it now seems horrendous, as of course it does. What worries me, though, is that the progress we have made in recent decades via the much-hated 'political correctness' - not calling black people '******s' or gays 'queers' for example - is fast being eroded. Recent votes in the UK and the US have evidenced the rise of the 'Alt Right', with much of Europe seemingly of like mind. Racists are feeling legitimised and emboldened.
'You can't speak your mind these days without being called a racist'
Well yes you can actually, if you're not a racist.
'You can't speak your mind these days without being called a racist'
Well yes you can actually, if you're not a racist.
There was a piece on the beeb website the other week about that game and I do recall it being played, wasn't it a testimonial game for someone, but the black side had some terrific players, Cyril Regis, Laurie Cunningham, Bob, George Berry, Garth Crooks, Brendan Batson, our own Derek Richardson in goal and it did seem progressive at the time but now, seems like something from the dark ages, no pun intended.......the whole idea was put together by Ron Atkinson as he had the 3 lads at West Brom whom he referred to as the 3 degrees, as in the 3 singers who were popular at the time. Some of the stories those lads told about the racial hatred at the time was appalling and George Berry who was an uncompromising center half at Wolves related the story about how he decked a supporter years before Cantana did his piece due to the racial abuse aimed at him.
Are we more enlightened these days? I hope so, but there is an uneasy shift to the far right happening across Europe at the moment......
I was called a racist by somebody on this very site a few years ago, when I'd neither said nor held racist views. Many people questioning uncontrolled immigration and the way that multiculturalism had done nothing to encourage immigrants to better integrate into British society have also been labelled as racists by some quarters. I fear that racism, rather like beauty, is in the eye of the beholder. I can quite understand the elderly person that has lived all their life in a small rural community feeling uncomfortable and afraid having to disrobe in hospital to be examined by a doctor of Asian descent, for example, whereas some may well have little sympathy for this attitude because they can only see racism in the situation, when perhaps it's only an understandable form of ignorance born of the narrow parameters of the subject's existence?
So I think you're wrong, Stroller - you can't speak your mind or question certain things today without somebody sticking a label on you.
I struggle a bit with the n-word when you'd be hard pressed to find an Eddie Murphy or Chris Tucker flick without them using the word themselves. You might argue that they've taken the word back as a way of defusing its power, but why use it at all?
Only slightly related, but I saw a couple of pictures a while back of the same woman. In one she was dressed in her local hunt finery. In the other she was dressed in the vestments of her career - a nurse. The article suggested that somebody seeing only the first picture would form a whole raft of opinions based on their own prejudices against fox-hunting, e.g. that she's a heartless, toffee-nosed bitch who deserves to be herself ripped apart by hounds etc. That same person seeing only the second picture might equally have formed an opinion of an angel of mercy, underpaid, overworked and under appreciated by a heartless government. Perhaps both perceptions are true, but I reckon many, when presented with both shots side by side, would find themselves drifting towards that of the toffee-nosed bitch because of their own bias.