How is anything I wrote garbage? When people out there are literally blaming the left for their performing Nazi salutes, the most obvious crybully response there is, there is no defence for such brainless behaviour. Here's another example of this position, the one which you are defending: because Spurs fans call themselves "Yids" it is our fault that fans of Chelsea and West Ham regale us with various chants about Hitler, gas chambers, the Holocaust and Auschwitz, and if we didn't call ourselves "Yids" we would not receive those chants. It's definitely not the fault of Chelsea or West Ham fans for being bigoted morons, nor is it important that their doing so is the reason Spurs fans began referring to themselves as "Yids" in the first place which means the basis of the argument is literally back-to-front. As for saying it's "the intolerance of the left", how convenient that people are overlooking the fact there were people performing Nazi salutes at Trump rallies long before he was even Republican nominee, for example... Note the date: March 2016 - four months before the RNC. Or because it doesn't fit in with one narrative, should we just dredge up the other one used during the campaign, claiming that Hillary paid people to attend Trump rallies and perform Nazi salutes?
HBIC, My point is that the solution isn't to discount these people as evil and ignore the reasons they give for their behaviour by writing off the reasons they give as, "garbage". The solution, imo, is to listen to their concerns, and what's motivated them and caused them to behave in this way, and to take action to alleviate those concerns and relieve their dissafection, to the extent possible. And if that includes a shift in society, away from its obsession with promoting and protecting 'minority' groups obsessively, whilst disregarding other groups in society (as an example), then so be it. At the very least it's a discussion that needs to be had. People need to be listened to. Their grievances understood. Otherwise what you get is a warring society and people walking in the street giving nazi salutes. But noone will listen to them, because our society has been obsessed and over run by a left wing culture that listens to noone but themselves, who would not even consider for a moment that they might not be the 'good guys' doing the right thing, and who simply writes off everyone else as wicked.
He has more or less described Sweden (as colleagues of mine who are natives there so frequently tell me) . This also reminds about a secondary thing I would like on the ballot slip : a detachable "soap box" slip with a few lines for computer-scannable text, and a constituency id. Everyone has their little bit of soap box to fill in if they desire, to say why that voted as they did etc. Electoral org takes the lot, scans them, and makes it available in the public domain. Every voter has some anonymity to articulate their opinions/concerns, and every political party / polling org has the chance to do data analytics on that info, and try to ADDRESS them (whether they are legitimate or fallacies) .
For me there were two reasons I wanted trump to win the election. The first was to do with international politics and conflict. As I see it recent western foreign policy has been an utter disaster. It's led to wars around the world that wouldn't otherwise have happened, destruction of communities and cultures and the spread of terrorism and murder. I also regard the current warm war with russia as being at least as much due to american aggression and posturing as to russian aggression and posturing, and probably a damn sight more. Whereas clinton promised a continuation of the same, trump appears ro me to want something different. He doesnt want to push russia into a corner, he wants to work with them. He doesnt want to pursue regime change in syria at all costs, he appears to be happy for the slaughter to end even if that means the existing government remains (and the UN envoy to syria has spoken enthusiastically about this potential change in approach already). The second reason is to do with our society, and the influence of minority rights groups and those advocating their causes. I am all for equality of respect and opportunity. What I am not for, is civil rights groups and the like, continually labelling people by their race and gender, and inventing a narrative of inequality when there is none, and creating a culture which might be described as, "positive inequality", and allocati guilt and blame where none is due. Every day, sources such as the BBC website and Linkedin Pulse, run stories about minority abuse, that far more often than not amount to a complete nonsense. I regularly see alinkedin promoting articles such as those with headlines about recruitment staff being prejudiced about non whites, which have about 10,000 people liking it or commenting what a disgrace it is, who have clearly not considered it necessary to read the article and establish that its contents and analysis demonstrates no one iota of prejudice. The BBC website, runs p.c. articles on its main page every day. Today there's a "story" about the world snooker body not doing anything to encourage black players. Yesterday there was an article about the website's quest to find the woman of the year, and a story about "sexism in Egaming". The day before, one of the main headlines was about peter kay making a remark on come dancing that about 5 people had considered, "homophobic". We are told every day that women are prejudiced against in society, whether it's because more of them work part time than men or because they have to pay tax on tampons, when from what i can see the only real issues in our society that i can see regarding gender, are those which disadvantage men (far greater suicide rates, far higher rates of death at work, positive discrimination in the workplace, disadvantaged in the courts etc etc), but we see nothing of this in the press. I for one am absolutely sick to the back teeth of it. Of being lectured on a daily basis about gender and racial equality, by the very people who identify people based on their gender or racial background, of hearing that school kids get special lessons about how privileged women should be, etc etc wtc ad infinitum. I don't want to be privileged as a man. I dont want to be privileged as a white person. And i dont want to be judged by either, or expected to judge or value people based on their gender or their race. In my humble opinion, people are not defined by their race or their gender, but are different from one another as individuals. I don't want to be told by the press and by our politicians ad infinitum that women are these and white people are the other. So far as I'm concerned, they can **** off. And I don't want people telling me i'm not allowed to have such views. That i have to regard all women in a particular way, or feel guilty about the slave trade because im white, or whatever it is. And i suspect that a lot of trump's supporters had the same, "go **** yourself attitude", with people not only disregarding their views, and their disenfranchisement, but labelling them as deplorables or haters for holding their views and for feeling disenfranchised. And I'm sick of the press that controls us all, all peddling out the same line day in day out, in what i see as a completely unbalanced way. I don't have much hope, but I have a tiny little bit of hope, that President Trump, can do something to sort this bullshit out. To not treat those outside the liberal left bubble as wicked haters, but to listen to their concerns too, and to try to include them in society in the same way that minority groups have been included. Good luck to him I say.
Interesting suggestion. Funnily enough, I was trying to work out what genre of performer you would call that guy in the video i linked earlier. I don't think it's any genre of comedy, even sattire. And all I could come up with regarding a genre was, "soap box". Maybe it's the future !
That was a classic "soap box" act. He said his piece. You decided whether you would give him the time of day to listen.
I just didnt know it was a genre tbh. I can't off the top of my head think of any other 'entertainer' whose genre would be soap box.
I meant "act" as in 'the act of getting on your soap box in a public place and saying your piece' , rather than "act" as in performing art.
Sorry, but this just reads like a piece from Breitbart. Trump wants to work with Russia? He already is. He was reading their propaganda as facts during the election. He's either in Putin's pocket or he's too ignorant to know any better. I'm not sure which is worse. The former nations of the USSR must be ****ting themselves, frankly. Minority groups pushing their agenda? It's often some random student union talking bollocks. Nobody would care if some conservative website didn't jump on the non-stories and use them as part of the narrative. It's similar to the transgender bathroom issue. Nobody even considered it. It was not an issue. Trump's the worst person to be leading any kind of pushback on this stuff, as he's clearly guilty of obvious bigotry. He refused to rent to black people, molested various women and has hired a string of fruitcakes for his campaign. He's the reason that people need legal protection from abusive, powerful arseholes. The idea that the press has been pushing some progressive agenda is clearly nonsense, too. Murdoch's various media tendrils have far too much influence and they do the absolute opposite. The media in the UK and US are virtually all economically right-wing, too. The disinfranchised are going to get a hell of lot more disinfranchised under this shady conman, I'm afraid. He's already abusing his power and having his family partake in high-level meetings and he hasn't even got the job yet. Blind trust? Not happening. Wall? Not happening. Prosecuting Hillary? Not happening. Jobs in the rust belt? Not happening. He's a transparent bullshitter who's attempting a power grab and trying to install himself as the head of an oligarchy. He's no Putin though, so he'll probably fall flat on his arse. That's the most we can hope for, anyway.
If everyone shared your views we wouldn't need race relations laws just as we wouldn't need laws on theft if everyone was honest. But unfortunately there are some people who do discriminate in horrible ways. You seem very angry at the small backlash against initiatives designed to mitigate the effects of discrimination. Imagine how it must feel to be on the end of the really horrible stuff. No-one is telling you what to think but until the number of people who are race and sex blind is down to about the same number as say bank robbers you are bound to see things happening to try to educate people and punish the worst offenders. I think all analysis of Trump is generally superficial. Most Republican candidates would have had a chance of beating Clinton. Him being a political outsider probably gained enough votes to make up for those he lost from his behaviour. The fact that a majority of white women had no problem voting for him pretty much rebuts your claims of some conspiracy against men
My suggestion at this stage is that we do two lists of bullet points, say 5 bullet points each, with one lost from team trump and one from team anti trump. I'm haooy to do the team trump list, if some of you guys want to do the team anti trump list. Then we can have a think about each others' lists and decide where to go from there.
Some fair comments PS. I really don't want to think about this atm, but one comment I would immediately have is in reply to your comments about race/gender blindness. I don't expect you to agree, but from what i can see, the vast majority of those who are not race/gender 'blind' are those who campaign on behalf of 'minority' groups. They are the ones - and from what i see, pretty much the only ones - who keep reminding us / telling us that we are not people, we are men or women, black or white. That's my honest view.
The cause and effect have to be distinguished. If football fans in the 60s had thrown bananas and made monkey noises at all players under 5ft 9inches and such people were commonly beaten up by skinheads and discriminated against then you can be sure that there would now be short discrimination legislation and all the knock on effects you describe.
I am of the view that the wrongs of the past do not create the need for wrongs of the present. If there's anything that history teaches us, it could be this.
