The EU debate - Part III

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Hull City AFC (DMD) said:
You think that's worse than a group known for violence threatening violence with few to no arrests? THAT is a ****ing insult.

They weren't just words on cards, you can't hear the chants on a picture, but you can't have missed some of their mates carrying out the threats,
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I know they weren't just words on cards...that was my point. You also can't hear the nazi chants in the other picture but they too happened.

I am mystified what the **** your problem is. I called both sets ****s...and have not defended anyone or played anything down....unlike you. Wind you neck in and respond to what I actually posted
 
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remembercolinlee said:
I called them all ****s. I never played down anything. How have I said one is worse than the other.
It's you that called a Hitler salute "a raised arm" to play it down.
We celebrate fighting the Nazi's and stopping fascism and you described their salute as a ****ing raised arm and then said I was judging one thing worse than the other. You either are being deliberately stupid or have completely misread my previous post so here it is again
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The two simply aren't comparable. Fascist traits are not singular to the right wing.
 
Hull City AFC (DMD) said:
The two simply aren't comparable. Fascist traits are not singular to the right wing.
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Never said they were. I simply said that extremists are not always stopped because legally they may not be considered to be breaking laws...and that being a **** is not against the law.
Try reading what I write before arguing with it
 
remembercolinlee said:
Never said they were. I simply said that extremists are not always stopped because legally they may not be considered to be breaking laws...and that being a **** is not against the law.
Try reading what I write before arguing with it
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Threats to kill are, particularly from groups that have a history of carrying out those threats. As is incitement to violence and hate crime.

Your tone implies you're just looking for an argument.
 
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Hull City AFC (DMD) said:
Threats to kill are, particularly from groups that have a history of carrying out those threats. As is incitement to violence and hate crime.

Your tone implies you're just looking for an argument.
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Is that why people from the photo that you used were arrested and jailed, as I've already pointed out?
PleaseNotPoll said:
There were a number of arrests made from that march and people were jailed:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2006_...Embassy_of_Denmark_in_London#Criminal_charges
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My original response ended with"sorry if I have misunderstood your point but it's not clear"... hardly confrontational.
You responded by calling the nazi salute "a raised arm" and then said I thought that the nazi salute was worse that the hate being displayed on the marches which is plainly not true as I called both lots ****s.
The truth is that you think that nazi salutes are no big deal. I completely disagree and have no wish to debate this cos it'll go nowhere.
But be clear...I have not said any expression of hate is worse than another...you have.
 
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remembercolinlee said:
My original response ended with"sorry if I have misunderstood your point but it's not clear"... hardly confrontational.
You responded by calling the nazi salute "a raised arm" and then said I thought that the nazi salute was worse that the hate being displayed on the marches which is plainly not true as I called both lots ****s.
The truth is that you think that nazi salutes are no big deal. I completely disagree and have no wish to debate this cos it'll go nowhere.
But be clear...I have not said any expression of hate is worse than another...you have.
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I didn't say it was no big deal, I said it was on a totally different level to hate groups threatening and inciting violence. Half a dozen of the more prominent exponents of of the hate shown in the picture, and many other events being arrested after the event had finished doesn't make it less wrong. It was only one example from many.
 
pieguts said:
Thank ****......please try and explain this to Poll. When I added my first comment, I was being pedantic as I did not really want to have to trawl through pages of "tit for tat" arguments over "was she cleared, wasn't she cleared" argument. I'm not claiming Clinton was guilty or innocent as quite frankly I don't care, however to say she was cleared is misleading.
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My point is actually that the word 'cleared' never means that all the evidence is worthless and so applies to Clinton in exactly the same way as if she had been tried and found not guilty. Alternatively 'cleared' mean absolutely nothing in any legal sense. PnP is technically wrong in saying she has been 'cleared'. Hull is absolutely wrong ins saying she 'has not been cleared' because there is no legal mechanism that could lead to that outcome.
 
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pieguts said:
Can't win with you guys, all of the economists were predicting a rise to around 1.1%. The fact that it's has not increased and actually fallen has to be a good news story for this month?
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If you're desperate, yes!

Did you miss the bit about it being up 0.6% since May.

It's highly likely to be a brief respite.
 
NowsufferinginSpain said:
Read 'I am upset with people constantly pointing out that I'm a thick, bigoted Nazi'
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It is funny that @petersaxton constantly posts bigotry and classic xenophobic remarks. And then when someone pulls him up on it, his response is "oh all you can do is call me racist and nazi"

No **** sherlock, it's not rocket science you racist prat <doh>
 
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NowsufferinginSpain said:
If you're desperate, yes!

Did you miss the bit about it being up 0.6% since May.

It's highly likely to be a brief respite.
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Nothing to do with being desperate Spain, but as far as I am concerned a little relief to what's going to come, has got to be welcomed.
I sometimes get the impression that some of you welcome the continued "doom and gloom" stories as it give you some sort of credibility, that your initial predictions were bang on the money. I don't get that to be honest, I take comfort that it has not been as bad as the economists predicted yet, even though we are in for some turbulent times.
I "told you so" will not help either camp.
 
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BobbyD said:
, wikileaks publishing she uses her charity as her own personal piggy bank (like paying for chelseas wedding). Theres nothing cast iron in any of the above which she will be prosecuted for but in my eyes i have down as guilty.
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This is exactly the sort of misrepresentation that confuses people. the facts are these
1) Hillary Clinton has no role in the Clinton foundation
2) The leak claimed that Chelsea Clinton (who is the Vice-President of the Foundation) used the resources of the Foundation to help fund her wedding.
3) If this is true then Chelsea has potentially committed an offence.
4) It's nothing to do with Hillary!
 
pieguts said:
Nothing to do with being desperate Spain, but as far as I am concerned a little relief to what's going to come, has got to be welcomed.
I sometimes get the impression that some of you welcome the continued "doom and gloom" stories as it give you some sort of credibility, that your initial predictions were bang on the money. I don't get that to be honest, I take comfort that it has not been as bad as the economists predicted yet, even though we are in for some turbulent times.
I "told you so" will not help either camp.
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What's happening re inflation is an inevitable consequence of the weak currency.
Quite simply, the U.K. Imports more than it exports, so price rises are inevitable as inflation rises.
 
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