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What is your take on this article. By that I mean that I am not learned in the subject and the Speccie is of course a right leaning publication so could (probably is) doing exactly the same as the left leaning articles and misleading.

My point on their take is about their assertion about fascism being left leaning and their validation of their assertion:
http://blogs.spectator.co.uk/2016/11/absurd-call-trump-fascist/
 
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FinishedHere said:
What is your take on this article. By that I mean that I am not learned in the subject and the Speccie is of course a right leaning publication so could (probably is) doing exactly the same as the left leaning articles and misleading.

My point on their take is about their assertion about fascism being left leaning and their validation of their assertion:
http://blogs.spectator.co.uk/2016/11/absurd-call-trump-fascist/
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The Spectator is a reputable magazine Imps. It is predictably right wing - the house journal of the Conservative Party if you like - but it is in no way comparable to the post-truth rantings of the alt.right blogosphere. And that article makes some interesting points, some of which I would find it hard to disagree with. First off, of course there is a crossover between the hard right and the hard left, fascists and communists. They are often pretty much the same people. Oswald Mosley's British Union of Fascists recruited from the same communities of East End dockers as the Trade Unionists who chased him down Cable Street. I personally knew someone who sold the National Front's newspaper in East London before converting to the Socialist Workers some time later.

So we can say that Fascism shares common roots with the far left. Does this make Donald Trump any more or less of a fascist? Well we know he is a populist and a racist who is willing to exploit the prejudices of the demographic who have just put him in power. We know he offers those people simplistic solutions to complex problems, and that he is quick to demonise "the other". He encourages his followers to blame all their problems on immigrants and foreigners. That looks a lot like fascism to me.
 
prejudices is a word that is very powerful. For many they aren't prejudiced and you could replace the word with fear. As in exploit the fears of the demographic that have put him in power.

those with prejudices are much smaller and wouldn't win anyone an election however when you (I) replace the word prejudice with fear then I am suddenly describing both sides in the last election.

Both Hillary and Trump preyed on people's fears. Then whoever loses will go on the "hate" agenda to label all as prejudice.


I did type more here but it was just more waffle. I know the history of the Speccie but your info is good to see. I agree fascism at the extremes of both sides is very similar.
 
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ImpSaint said:
prejudices is a word that is very powerful. For many they aren't prejudiced and you could replace the word with fear. As in exploit the fears of the demographic that have put him in power.

those with prejudices are much smaller and wouldn't win anyone an election however when you (I) replace the word prejudice with fear then I am suddenly describing both sides in the last election.

Both Hillary and Trump preyed on people's fears. Then whoever loses will go on the "hate" agenda to label all as prejudice.


I did type more here but it was just more waffle. I know the history of the Speccie but your info is good to see. I agree fascism at the extremes of both sides is very similar.
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Yeah, fair enough, fear then. That's what Trump plays on.
 
Farage is the first British party leader to meet Trump since the election. Reporter asked him when checking into Trump tower what he was there to do and he said "Tourist."
 
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Some excerpts:
Defense Secretary
The incoming secretary will shape the fight against the Islamic State while overseeing a military that is struggling to put in place two Obama-era initiatives: integrating women into combat roles and allowing transgender people to serve openly. Both could be rolled back.

Kelly Ayotte - Departing senator from New Hampshire and member of the Senate Armed Services Committee

Lt. Gen. Michael T. Flynn - Former director of the Defense Intelligence Agency (he would need a waiver from Congress because of a seven-year rule for retired officers)

Stephen J. Hadley - National security adviser under George W. Bush

Jon Kyl - Former senator from Arizona

Jeff Sessions - Senator from Alabama who is a prominent immigration opponent

Attorney General
The nation's top law enforcement official will have the authority for carrying out Mr. Trump's “law and order” platform, including his threat to “jail” Hillary Clinton. The nominee can change how civil rights laws are enforced.

Chris Christie - New Jersey governor

Rudolph W. Giuliani - Former New York mayor
Jeff Sessions - Senator from Alabama

Homeland Security Secretary
The hodgepodge agency, formed after the attacks of Sept. 11, 2001, has one key role in the Trump administration: guarding the United States’ borders. If Mr. Trump makes good on his promises of widespread deportations and building walls, this secretary will have to carry them out.

Joe Arpaio - Departing sheriff of Maricopa County, Ariz.

David A. Clarke Jr. - Milwaukee County sheriff

Michael McCaul - Representative from Texas and chairman of the House Homeland Security Committee

Jeff Sessions - Senator from Alabama

E.P.A. Administrator
The Environmental Protection Agency, which issues and oversees environmental regulations, is under threat from the president-elect, who has vowed to dismantle the agency “in almost every form.”

Myron Ebell - A director at the Competitive Enterprise Institute and a prominent climate change skeptic

Robert E. Grady - Gryphon Investors partner who was involved in drafting the Clean Air Act Amendments of 1990

Jeffrey R. Holmstead - Lawyer with Bracewell L.L.P. and former deputy E.P.A. administrator in the George W. Bush administration

Education Secretary
Mr. Trump has said he wants to drastically shrink the Education Department and shift responsibilities for curriculum research, development and education aid to state and local governments.

Dr. Ben Carson - Former neurosurgeon and 2016 presidential candidate

Williamson M. Evers - Education expert at the Hoover Institution, a think tank

White House Chief of Staff
The chief of staff manages the work and personnel of the West Wing, steering the president's agenda and tending to important relationships. The role will take on outsize importance in a White House run by Mr. Trump, who has no experience in policy making and little in the way of connections to key players in Washington.

Stephen K. Bannon - Editor of Breitbart News and chairman of Mr. Trump’s campaign

Reince Priebus - Chairman of the Republican National Committee

DRAIN THE SWAMP
Treasury Secretary
The secretary will be responsible for government borrowing in financial markets, assisting in any rewrite of the tax code and overseeing the Internal Revenue Service. The Treasury Department also carries out or lifts financial sanctions against foreign enemies — which are key to President Obama’s Iran deal and rapprochement with Cuba.

Thomas Barrack Jr. - Founder, chairman and executive chairman of Colony Capital; private equity and real estate investor

Jeb Hensarling - Representative from Texas and chairman of the House Financial Services Committee

Steven Mnuchin - Former Goldman Sachs executive and Mr. Trump’s campaign finance chairman

Tim Pawlenty - Former Minnesota governor

http://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2...tion.html?_r=0
 
Have you seen the size of those crowds of protestors in South Korea? Soros groups didn't even need to organise anything there.
 
Mitch McConnell today:

"I support the effort to help these coal counties wherever we can but that isn’t going to replace whatever was there when we had a vibrant coal industry."

People like this really need to burn in hell. He is from Kentucky, and he has been a Senator for 30 years. Where is his responsibility in what has happened to his state?

Obama's programs really could have helped KY. But he couldn't get anything done. Why? Because this utter ****er decided on day one that his only goal for the next four years was to make Obama a one term President even at the expense of his constituents.

He helped Trump blame everything on Obama, backed him all the way when Trump talked about restoring the coal industry.

Now that the election is over, he couldn't even wait a week to walk back the promises.

No **** the coal industry is dying. It has been dying for decades. WHAT DID YOU DO ABOUT IT?

He has ****ed over, and continues to **** over so many people who were counting on him. Really hard working people who deserve much better, It makes me furious.

If you want to know how completely full of crap and utterly two-faced this man is, consider this: he once filibustered his own bill to prevent it from passing.

And then I have to read about how Clinton voters don't care about rural whites.
 
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Mitch McConnell today:

"I support the effort to help these coal counties wherever we can but that isn’t going to replace whatever was there when we had a vibrant coal industry."

People like this really need to burn in hell. He is from Kentucky, and he has been a Senator for 30 years. Where is his responsibility in what has happened to his state?

Obama's programs really could have helped KY. But he couldn't get anything done. Why? Because this utter ****er decided on day one that his only goal for the next four years was to make Obama a one term President even at the expense of his constituents.

He helped Trump blame everything on Obama, backed him all the way when Trump talked about restoring the coal industry.

Now that the election is over, he couldn't even wait a week to walk back the promises.

No **** the coal industry is dying. It has been dying for decades. WHAT DID YOU DO ABOUT IT?

He has ****ed over, and continues to **** over so many people who were counting on him. Really hard working people who deserve much better, It makes me furious.

If you want to know how completely full of crap and utterly two-faced this man is, consider this: he once filibustered his own bill to prevent it from passing.

And then I have to read about how Clinton voters don't care about rural whites.
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Will Ellison care more about rural whites? The Dems are going to go the Corbyn route I think.
 
Never thought I'd approve of a campaign involved with advertising. But it appears that, of all companies - Lego, have finished a stint with the Daily Mail, and have no plans to renew, as a response to the campaign from Stop Funding Hate, which has criticised several national newspapers for "portraying migrants in overwhelmingly negative terms" and whipping up hatred before and after the EU referendum. It has urged companies including John Lewis, Waitrose and Marks & Spencer to stop advertising with the Daily Mail, the Sun and Daily Express. Well done Lego and the campaigners.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-37962425
 
ChilcoSaint said:
That's the reality of democracy right there. That's a bigger man than most of us can ever hope to be.

In a nutshell, **** you, 22nd Amendment.
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I've been saying that very thing for months. Now that it's so very real, I feel that I would be remiss if I didn't mention:

**** the 22nd Amendment. **** term limits. There is only so much good in the world. Don't force it into the twilight on such spurious grounds.

Thanks, Obama; your programs were blocked at every turn, and what you got through will be repealed before I even remember to write 2017 on documents. But you'll still have been one hell of a president.
 
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Will Ellison care more about rural whites? The Dems are going to go the Corbyn route I think.
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I grew up in a rural, and exceedingly white, part of North America. If such people look at Ellison and see someone that doesn't represent their interests, it's because all they see is his religion and skin colour. And if that's all they see, **** them. I'm done trying to appeal to those people; they can either recognize who is willing to help and who is willing to pander while ****ing them over, or they can see their way of life die with each passing year.
 
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