Off Topic The Politics Thread

The EU negotiators would love it if May was forced to reveal some of her hand. If you want to achieve more, you don't go into negotiations having broadcast and defined the perameters of what you are hoping for.

 

Absolute bull. The paper spelt out nothing.

 

The Labour Party, liberals and SNP were against a referendum. It was in the pro-EU manifesto of the Cameron led Conservative party and UKIP of course.

 

Not sure I can bear to watch QT tonight. The Bremoaning will be too much.

 

What a depressing show, neither the panel or audience seem to realise the reason why a non legally binding, advisory referendum requires an act of parliament to enact.

Saqib Javid looks like a ******ed Ray Wilkins

 

I was just about to say basically the same mate. Where did they dig up that audience from?

 

If it gets there. The simplest thing and quickest would be simply to draft the necessary bill and get it passed. Most remainer MPs have already said they will respect the will of the people.

 

I think Huey Lewis might have been right when he said that some things are too important for the general public to decide on - at least in the form we were offered. Why won't MPs who feel passionately that leaving the EU would be a terrible mistake stand up and say so? Every MP I hear (Ken Clarke being an honourable exception) toes the line of 'the British people have spoken' and therefore we have to just get on with it. For decades the Great British public were in favour of restoring capital punishment, but parliament rightly ignored them. The British people voted to leave the EU - we get it - but they didn't give carte blanche for this government to do whatever deal they see fit. Parliament will vote in favour of invoking Article 50, but there should be a further vote on the terms of our leaving the EU.


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".........Only when parts are incorporated into law by Act of Parliament does Parliament become involved, and the courts have jurisdiction over their application."

You've answered your own question. We signed up for the Treaty of Rome because Parliament voted to join by an Act of Parliament. We had to do so because of the giving up of sovereignty. We did not join the EU in the first place by an exercise of royal prerogative. It is necessary therefore for another Act of Parliament to undo it. The so-called giving up of sovereignty was never irrevocable. Parliament was supreme and always retained the right/power to reverse the position. Ask yourself this. Would it have been lawful or the act of a dictator to pass Article 50 in the aftermath of the European Communities Act 1972. Do you remember that? I ask because you omitted to mention it.

I don't know enough about the constitutional principles to say what the decision of the Supreme Court will be but from my limited grasp, having studied Constitutional law some 37 years ago, the decision was not political or an affront to democracy - it was the obvious legal answer to the constitutional legal arguments put before it.

For a country that prides itself on its parliamentary democracy, it is staggering how so many are willing to ignore those principles when the result does not go their way. Will the Brexiteers please stop moaning and just get on with doing it properly and lawfully.

 

::For a country that prides itself on its parliamentary democracy, it is staggering how so many are willing to ignore those principles when the result does not go their way. Will the Brexiteers please stop moaning and just get on with doing it properly and lawfully.""

Yes I hate it when things don't go their way and keep moaning remainers

 

Well, one thing that the hysterical reaction to this ruling demonstrates is that the Brexiters were completely unprepared for it, like everything else it seems. May was being told this was the likely outcome weeks ago, there is no coordinated government response, it ranges from the relatively calm David Davies to the squawking ignorance of Uncle Fester.

Rather than waste their time on this, why not sort out the roads? Just taken me 5 hours to do just over 200 miles, even though we set out late to avoid the traffic. M5 completely closed in 2 different places for those mysterious roadworks where you never actually see anyone doing anything other than laying out cones, the diversion from the first led straight into a second set of roadworks, great communication. I know that the government doesn't give a toss about me because I'm a citizen of nowhere, but ordinary working patriots use roads and trains as well.

 

Absolutely brilliant. I wonder how a court in Northern Ireland came to the opposite decision, despite the majority of people there voting to stay? The whole thing begs belief. Mrs. May might well call a general election?

 

She might have to mate.

 

We get this sort of lunacy every day somewhere in London...

 

Ah, that old capital punishment chestnut squeezed in there, eh? I would humbly suggest that Parliament ignoring the will of the Great British Public was 'right' in your opinion, and that of a great many others, but remains 'wrong' in my opinion and that of a great many others.

 

I was led to believe that it was printed somewhere on the ballot paper.

 

Ah well, I've said it now......

The Great Briitish public are fools by and large and Parliament should save them from themselves. If the YouGov poll I quoted in an earlier post is to be believed, 3.9% of Leave voters would vote for a Stop Brexit party in a general election. That in itself would be enough to overturn the referendum result.

Hard Brexit would be economic madness and Parliament knows it.

 

Fair enough. I don't claim to understand it all. However, the fact that many remain MPs are saying that it needs to be debated in parliament with ammendments means that the governments negotiations will be severely hampered. I know you think this is a good thing because it will result in a soft brexit but I don't.
One other thing - could you explain from your font of all knowing, why judges in N Ireland came to exactly the opposite decision?

 

Just like Ken Clarke (a deluded fool over the EU for years and years) you think that the public can't be trusted to deliver the right decision. Better to dictate to them like in the old Soviet Union etc eh?
Democracy eh? What a pisser!