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Most of the tropes were established long before Halloween was made, for example The Texas Chainsaw Massacre and Black Christmas were both released in 1974 - four years before Halloween - and both of those used the tropes which are common in slasher movies.

The killer with supernatural resistance/strength.
Promiscuous teen = certain fatality.
 
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Remember this one from the late 70's - 'Suspiria' - it was actually banned for while as I recall.
Well worth a watch (from behind a sofa!) if you can find a copy.

Never found it as scary/horrific as its reputation suggested.
But the use of colour in the film by Argento is superb, and the music is great.
 
The killer with supernatural resistance/strength.
Promiscuous teen = certain fatality.
Killers with superhuman strength was hardly original in Halloween, given that Leatherface in Texas Chainsaw and Pluto in The Hills Have Eyes both exhibited this before Michael Myers was ever a thing
The same can be said for the sex= death trope, which was already in play in Bay of Blood

Suspiria has an absolute cracking soundtrack. Even if you don't see the film have a listen to the theme.
Shame that it was being used in trailers for Hollyoaks last week...
 
Most of the tropes were established long before Halloween was made, for example The Texas Chainsaw Massacre and Black Christmas were both released in 1974 - four years before Halloween - and both of those used the tropes which are common in slasher movies.

Yet neither of these films established the structure of a slasher movie, considering films such as Profondo Rosso, Blood and Black Lace, Don't Torture a Duckling, Bay of Blood and The Bird with the Crystal Plumage had all been coming out of Italy since the mid-60s.
Don't underestimate the power of a soundtrack, though. Halloween's theme music was spot on:
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Decent casting helped a lot too, even if it was basically only two actors.
Those are the two aspects that set it apart from lot of the competition, in my opinion, as well as the obvious seasonal tie-in.
 
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So hbic will have to return in 364 days (More of the night He
came to moan about how a film is over-rated) ... ;)
 
The discussion on Halloween ended at 23:59:29 yesterday.
So hbic will have to return in 364 days (More of the night He
came to moan about how a film is over-rated) ... ;)
On the other hand, the Dia de los Muerto has another 24 hours to run, or if we factor in the time difference it has about 29 hours to run - although I greatly prefer Amanecer de los Muertos...
 
This is Anthony Joshua's next opponent, Eric Molina:
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Er, yeah. Can't see that being much of a fight, to be honest.
 
This is Anthony Joshua's next opponent, Eric Molina:
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Er, yeah. Can't see that being much of a fight, to be honest.

Boxing is so poor nowadays, a damn shame but a harsh fact. Very few fighters are worth watching and most that are, are often given journeyman opponents.

MMA is continuing to dig boxing's grave, computer game developers are only interested in the UFC, it's taken over Vegas and now finally has an event at MSG, a number of it's stars are now featuring in films (including some blockbusters) while McGregor's got himself onto the new CoD game. I'd give boxing about ten more years until it becomes a second rate sport.
 
Answered my own question. Both went on to get beaten up by Deontay Wilder, Arreola (would advise caution if googling him) possibly being forced into retirement. Molina was beaten up by him first and at least came back to win a couple of fights. Looks journeyman all the way. Wilder is the fighter that Joshua, Klitschko, Haye, Fury etc should be lining fights up with. 6ft 7 <yikes>
 
Answered my own question. Both went on to get beaten up by Deontay Wilder, Arreola (would advise caution if googling him) possibly being forced into retirement. Molina was beaten up by him first and at least came back to win a couple of fights. Looks journeyman all the way. Wilder is the fighter that Joshua, Klitschko, Haye, Fury etc should be lining fights up with. 6ft 7 <yikes>

This is another problem I see with boxing and a further reason why MMA is burying it. Top boxers never seem to face other top boxers and when it happens, it's often a borefest due to the caution shown by both (Mayweather vs Pacman, Fury vs Klitchsko, Quigg vs Frampton). The lack of big fights may partly be down to promoters wanting to build hype but I do feel some fighters genuinely just want to keep their records perfect and are thus happy fighting nobodies.

Go into MMA and the top fighters are always wanting the other top fighters, everyone calls out McGregor because he's the money fight, the Diaz brothers will scrap anyone (inside and outside the cage <laugh>), Cowboy Cerrone signs any fight contract put in front of him, Jon Jones (when not banned) and Demetrious Johnson have cleaned out their divisions full of world class fighters and there's so many guys on the UFC (& Bellator/ WSOF) roster that are constantly wanting a fight asap... You put most of these boxers in MMA and their mindset would be to fight 10-15 nobodies before challenging anyone in the top 15.
 
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Er, yeah. Can't see that being much of a fight, to be honest.

12 minute video --- short fight then?
Fast forward to the seven minute mark --- Oh! Really short fight then?
Oh

You've got to be stupid, financially broke, or mentally broke to fight Joshua at the moment

I would have loved to have seen mentally broken Fury fight Joshua. Maybe one day...
 
Joshua v Wilder should be good.
I don't really rate Wilder, to be honest. Horrible technique.
Joshua's unproven too, but at least that's a fight that people want to see.
Watching a load of crap being lined up to be demolished is pretty unappealing. The heavyweight division's poor.
 
This is another problem I see with boxing and a further reason why MMA is burying it. Top boxers never seem to face other top boxers and when it happens, it's often a borefest due to the caution shown by both (Mayweather vs Pacman, Fury vs Klitchsko, Quigg vs Frampton). The lack of big fights may partly be down to promoters wanting to build hype but I do feel some fighters genuinely just want to keep their records perfect and are thus happy fighting nobodies.

Go into MMA and the top fighters are always wanting the other top fighters, everyone calls out McGregor because he's the money fight, the Diaz brothers will scrap anyone (inside and outside the cage <laugh>), Cowboy Cerrone signs any fight contract put in front of him, Jon Jones (when not banned) and Demetrious Johnson have cleaned out their divisions full of world class fighters and there's so many guys on the UFC (& Bellator/ WSOF) roster that are constantly wanting a fight asap... You put most of these boxers in MMA and their mindset would be to fight 10-15 nobodies before challenging anyone in the top 15.

It's also because of the dangers involved. You can't just send in a talented but inexperienced boxer like Joshua in at the deep end, it's easy for them to get a long term injury, particularly as younger fighters tend to be particularly weak defensively. His new fight is obviously total BS but there's not many worth fighting that are available once you take Klitschko off the table.

Heavyweight is always the division divided by the biggest disparity in quality but lower down the weightclasses there's a lot of very talented and watchable fights. Well I say that, I'm usually plastered by the time the undercards are out of the way :D
 
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It's also because of the dangers involved. You can't just send in a talented but inexperienced boxer like Joshua in at the deep end, it's easy for them to get a long term injury, particularly as younger fighters tend to be particularly weak defensively. His new fight is obviously total BS but there's not many worth fighting that are available once you take Klitschko off the table.

Heavyweight is always the division divided by the biggest disparity in quality but lower down the weightclasses there's a lot of very talented and watchable fights. Well I say that, I'm usually plastered by the time the undercards are out of the way :D

I just feel feel they have way too many journeymen fights before facing genuine opposition, whenever I look at most boxer's records, roughly the first 10-15 fights of their career are against nobodies. In my opinion it's probably more detrimental than having a few fights before stepping up, because it can put a fighter into a form of complacency and so when they do eventually face a higher standard of opposition, they could be faced with a few shocks. I remember Khan getting KO'd by what I believe was a nobody back in the day, Joshua even took a few heavy knocks from Whyte, he admitted in his post fight speech he was too complacent and there's bound to be others I don't know of.

It's why I prefer MMA. Most promising fighters can get to the UFC or Bellator after about 6 or so fights if they're 6-0 or 5-1 and building a good rep for themselves, from there they can begin challenging fellow up and comers before eventually making an assault on the top 15. Chris Weidman won the MW championship in his 10th pro fight, Jon Jones won the LHW in like his 13th or 14th and to get there they faced some of the best fighters on the planet. Give me that any day of the week over someone good against someone just pulled from the pub lol.
 
I just feel feel they have way too many journeymen fights before facing genuine opposition, whenever I look at most boxer's records, roughly the first 10-15 fights of their career are against nobodies. In my opinion it's probably more detrimental than having a few fights before stepping up, because it can put a fighter into a form of complacency and so when they do eventually face a higher standard of opposition, they could be faced with a few shocks. I remember Khan getting KO'd by what I believe was a nobody back in the day, Joshua even took a few heavy knocks from Whyte, he admitted in his post fight speech he was too complacent and there's bound to be others I don't know of.
Joshua lied about being complacent against Whyte.
He got wound up by him in the pre-fight bollocks and wanted to take the piss out of him to make him pay for it.
Complacency sounds better than sloppiness and being baited, in my opinion.

Now this is real complacency:
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Replacement fighter, complete journeyman, crap knockout record up against being touted for title fights.
Worrying about getting in enough rounds and hurting his hands on his head. For the first bit of the first round, anyway! <laugh>
 
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