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[Windom Earle]

I fully respect the 52% decision but the result leaves 48% where exactly?
I am certain that there is more to this than us ants know about
100% of the voters still have no idea what is happening
A strange landmark for the history of the UK
A 4% swing in UK politics means what? a roundabout!
4% winners 4% losers we are united in the fact we have no idea ... What has a UK citizen become?

 

[Stroller]

All good stuff.

There is no mandate for 'hard' Brexit. If Theresa Maybe leads us down this path, we should pick up our pitchforks and light our torches and storm Westminster.

At the end of the day it's not going to happen.

Then expect some proper moaning.

 

[sb_73]

All good stuff.

There is no mandate for 'hard' Brexit. If Theresa Maybe leads us down this path, we should pick up our pitchforks and light our torches and storm Westminster.

At the end of the day it's not going to happen.

Then expect some proper moaning.

Come now, you are not allowed to say such things.

New Adam Curtis film 'Hypernormalisation' on BBC iPlayer. Watched the first bit, Kissinger, Assad Senior and New York bankers getting it in the neck and it's only 1975. Then noticed it looks like it 2.75 hours long and decided to chunk it up. Usual high quality disturbing and scarily credible stuff.

 

[kiwiqpr]

why do we have the stereotype of the stripy shirt bicycle using onion selling frenchmam in a beret

 

[kiwiqpr]

why are people getting so upset about the numbers
had it been 75 to 25 in favour would people still be bleating on it
a majority either way was going to win the referendum
maybe someone should have thought a bit about a close vote but as no one expected the result they probably didnt care to

 

[durbar2003]

why are people getting so upset about the numbers
had it been 75 to 25 in favour would people still be bleating on it
a majority either way was going to win the referendum
maybe someone should have thought a bit about a close vote but as no one expected the result they probably didnt care to

Because in this forum people want a 4 0 win which is better than 2 1 even though the win gets you the same points

 

[kiwiqpr]

The failure to clinch the EU-Canada Ceta deal is an embarrassment for the EU. Wallonia, a region of just 3.6 million people, has all but scuppered a trade deal affecting 508 million Europeans and 36.3 million Canadians.

Failure is bad news for Brexit - Andrew Walker, Economics Correspondent
One very obvious lesson from this impasse is that it is going to be difficult for the European Union to implement trade and investment deals, perhaps with anyone.
For the UK post-Brexit it suggests two contrasting implications. Negotiating a trade agreement that gives British exporters barrier free access to the EU's single market could be a huge challenge.
For sure, there will be some important differences. For the EU, Britain is a more important export market than Canada, so some EU states will have a good deal to lose from failing to agree. But securing the agreement of all of them is unlikely to be straightforward.
On the other hand, negotiating an agreement with other countries outside the EU should become easier. To put it bluntly, the British government won't need to care what the Walloon parliament, for example, thinks

is it really bad news

 

[QPR Oslo]

The failure to clinch the EU-Canada Ceta deal is an embarrassment for the EU. Wallonia, a region of just 3.6 million people, has all but scuppered a trade deal affecting 508 million Europeans and 36.3 million Canadians.

Failure is bad news for Brexit - Andrew Walker, Economics Correspondent
One very obvious lesson from this impasse is that it is going to be difficult for the European Union to implement trade and investment deals, perhaps with anyone.
For the UK post-Brexit it suggests two contrasting implications. Negotiating a trade agreement that gives British exporters barrier free access to the EU's single market could be a huge challenge.
For sure, there will be some important differences. For the EU, Britain is a more important export market than Canada, so some EU states will have a good deal to lose from failing to agree. But securing the agreement of all of them is unlikely to be straightforward.
On the other hand, negotiating an agreement with other countries outside the EU should become easier. To put it bluntly, the British government won't need to care what the Walloon parliament, for example, thinks

is it really bad news

For me what is happening in Belgium underlines the absurdity of the argument that the UK lost its sovereignty staying in Europe as it shows that as a EU member even a far smaller region can stop about anything they don't want. As the UK did on many occasions. Member states can take what they want and say no to what they dont't.

 

[Stroller]

Come now, you are not allowed to say such things.

New Adam Curtis film 'Hypernormalisation' on BBC iPlayer. Watched the first bit, Kissinger, Assad Senior and New York bankers getting it in the neck and it's only 1975. Then noticed it looks like it 2.75 hours long and decided to chunk it up. Usual high quality disturbing and scarily credible stuff.

I'll check it out. Won't be this weekend though as my wife and I are in Dorchester-on-Thames celebrating our anniversary. Turns out the village doubles as Midsomer in the TV series, so we're going to need to keep our wits about us. I was talking politics with an American in the bar last night - he was very apologetic about Donald Trump so I thought it only right that I should apologise to him for Boris Johnson.

 

[sb_73]

I'll check it out. Won't be this weekend though as my wife and I are in Dorchester-on-Thames celebrating our anniversary. Turns out the village doubles as Midsomer in the TV series, so we're going to need to keep our wits about us. I was talking politics with an American in the bar last night - he was very apologetic about Donald Trump so I thought it only right that I should apologise to him for Boris Johnson.

Have a lovely weekend Strolls. Watch out for John Nettles looming at you from the shrubbery.

I am in the doghouse because I have added a couple of days to a work trip in December so I can mooch around Chicago bars and go to an ice hockey match with mates, only realised I'll miss the wife's birthday once booked. And I burned all our hotel points on getting somewhere decent to stay. In revenge she has booked a hugely expensive skiing trip over New Year and is taking my daughter, so I'll be necking the Prosecco alone except for Stan the dog who has to have company because he hates fireworks (my knees and general demeanour cut short my skiing career several years ago).

 

[ELLERS]

For me what is happening in Belgium underlines the absurdity of the argument that the UK lost its sovereignty staying in Europe as it shows that as a EU member even a far smaller region can stop about anything they don't want. As the UK did on many occasions. Member states can take what they want and say no to what they dont't.

I think we (UK) proposed 70 things to the EU and every one was rejected (every one). This thing with Canada sums them up.

 

[sb_73]

I think we (UK) proposed 70 things to the EU and every one was rejected (every one). This thing with Canada sums them up.

Thought you were laying off this thread? Glad you are not. Examples?

EU wants to put the tariff on Chinese steel up from 21%. USA charges 266%. Only one country blocking - UK. But apparently we are bullied into doing what everyone else wants the whole time, because the EU isn't democratic enough. Even though 3.5 million people have democratically blocked the Canadian treaty, which 500 million (supposedly- they weren't directly asked) wanted.

 

[ELLERS]

Thought you were laying off this thread? Glad you are not. Examples?

I am but the news of the Canadian deal reinforces my point that the EU is flawed and they won't change.
Will be interesting soon with Italy about to vote against the EU and Spain doing the same. Elections in France/Germany and an unhappy Holland?

 

[sb_73]

I am but the news of the Canadian deal reinforces my point that the EU is flawed and they won't change.
Will be interesting soon with Italy about to vote against the EU and Spain doing the same. Elections in France/Germany and an unhappy Holland?

Everything to do with politics and government is seems a mess in any direction I look at the moment mate, EU, UK, USA you name it.

 

[rangercol]

I'll check it out. Won't be this weekend though as my wife and I are in Dorchester-on-Thames celebrating our anniversary. Turns out the village doubles as Midsomer in the TV series, so we're going to need to keep our wits about us. I was talking politics with an American in the bar last night - he was very apologetic about Donald Trump so I thought it only right that I should apologise to him for Boris Johnson.

That's only about 3 miles from where I live.
Lovely village.

Check out the historic abbey if you get a chance.

 

[Windom Earle]

Have a lovely weekend Strolls. Watch out for John Nettles looming at you from the shrubbery.

I am in the doghouse because I have added a couple of days to a work trip in December so I can mooch around Chicago bars and go to an ice hockey match with mates, only realised I'll miss the wife's birthday once booked. And I burned all our hotel points on getting somewhere decent to stay. In revenge she has booked a hugely expensive skiing trip over New Year and is taking my daughter, so I'll be necking the Prosecco alone except for Stan the dog who has to have company because he hates fireworks (my knees and general demeanour cut short my skiing career several years ago).

You should take a mistress if the energy is unbalanced The dog will still be there and you would forget all about any bad knees

 

[qprbeth]

I'll check it out. Won't be this weekend though as my wife and I are in Dorchester-on-Thames celebrating our anniversary. Turns out the village doubles as Midsomer in the TV series, so we're going to need to keep our wits about us. I was talking politics with an American in the bar last night - he was very apologetic about Donald Trump so I thought it only right that I should apologise to him for Boris Johnson.

Lots of places believe they are Midsommer...my village Haddenham is regularly filmed. We have Midsommer tour you can take, a book of all the locations and an exhibition in the museum. ...Most of the locals and ducks have had bit parts....

 

[sb_73]

You should take a mistress if the energy is unbalanced The dog will still be there and you would forget all about any bad knees

'Take a mistress'? You overestimate my energy levels, but I like the idea of living in a Jane Austen novel.

The ferociously anti big, corrupt, tax avoiding business Theresa May is planning to cut corporation tax from 20% to 10% to bribe these companies to stay if things look dodgy in the EU negotiations. Even undercutting Ireland! France, Germany and Italy levy a rate of about 30% and it's even higher in the USA. But then again they haven't shot themselves in the foot.

 

[QPR Oslo]

'Take a mistress'? You overestimate my energy levels, but I like the idea of living in a Jane Austen novel.

The ferociously anti big, corrupt, tax avoiding business Theresa May is planning to cut corporation tax from 20% to 10% to bribe these companies to stay if things look dodgy in the EU negotiations. Even undercutting Ireland! France, Germany and Italy levy a rate of about 30% and it's even higher in the USA. But then again they haven't shot themselves in the foot.

Nor have we yet, shot ourselves in the foot that is. But seems like we are seriously thinking about it, with brains obviously already completely disconnected.

 

[kiwiqpr]

I keep reading on here that the big companies will be leaving
That is zero percent tax paid
Ten percent tax rate to keep them here seems like good sense