Nathan Redmond Verdict?

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fatletiss said:
I hadn't seen this post Beefy, but in the interest of not upsetting Tom....


I don't think Redmond will turn out like Henry, however I wonder how many people said Henry would never work out as a striker in his early days? He didn't do it over night. Henry had time at Monaco and Juventus being tried there before he even got to Arsenal and then it took Wenger a little time to convert him to a striker. I'd also throw in Theo Walcott here ....

All I'm saying is that he has been here for 10 games, not starting all of those either, so in time he may well convert to a striker. Too early to write that off now, even though as I started here by saying that I don't think he'll be like Henry was. Sometimes things take a few years. Ask Teddy Sheringham, Rickie Lambert.

We are football fans and even though lots of us think we have great footballing knowledge (none more so than me), we are very often proved not to be quite as knowledgeable as some of these top Professional coaches.



Ps. Tom, I hope this is ok. Apologies that I didn't comment on Beefy's post too. Yours was the first one I saw as I clicked "last post" and read that first, which happened to be yours. :)
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I am a qualified coach so know everything :emoticon-0105-wink:.

Redmond may become a good striker after time, but we can't afford to rely on him as much as we have. Looking at the 1999 Arsenal squad they had Anelka, Kanu, Suker, Berkamp. We have Long and a Rodriguez that can't stay fit. My main problem is if Puel really wants to convert Redmond, we need to relieve some of the pressure on him with a better strike force.

Also to say Henry struggled in 1999 is kind of mad:

1999 - 2000
Top goalscorer League:
Thierry Henry (17)
All:
Thierry Henry (26)

Last but not least, I had to look up this info as I was only 7. ;)
 
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Beefy said:
I am a qualified coach so know everything :emoticon-0105-wink:.

Redmond may become a good striker after time, but we can't afford to rely on him as much as we have. Looking at the 1999 Arsenal squad they had Anelka, Kanu, Suker, Berkamp. We have Long and a Rodriguez that can't stay fit. My main problem is if Puel really wants to convert Redmond, we need to relieve some of the pressure on him with a better strike force.

Also to say Henry struggled in 1999 is kind of mad:

1999 - 2000
Top goalscorer League:
Thierry Henry (17)
All:
Thierry Henry (26)

Last but not least, I had to look up this info as I was only 7. ;)
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If you were under 10, you can't use any stats from that time in a discussion.... :)
 
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fatletiss said:
If you were under 10, you can't use any stats from that time in a discussion.... :)
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But I can use I have a level 2 football coaching badge. As I am a qualified coach, I should know everything....
 
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I'd love access to our football analytics department's stats. I'm pretty sure they know what they're doing and I'll bet the stats reveal something that we, as fans, are missing about our forward line-up.
 
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KillerCephalopod said:
I'd love access to our football analytics department's stats. I'm pretty sure they know what they're doing and I'll bet the stats reveal something that we, as fans, are missing about our forward line-up.
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If Long starts scoring and Jay manages to run 5 mins before breaking down, I will change my mind.
 
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Beefy said:
If Long starts scoring and Jay manages to run 5 mins before breaking down, I will change my mind.
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I think the club may have thought both of these things would be happening by now given the data they had over the summer. Still, there's nothing they can do until January now, so they'll publically carry on saying they're happy or we'll have to pay through the nose during the window. And who knows, Jay might be recovered and Long in a purple patch by January anyway...
 
From Wikipedia ref Henry:

"Henry was immediately moulded into a striker by Wenger, a move that would pay rich dividends in years to come. However, doubts were raised about his ability to adapt to the quick and physical English game when he failed to score in his first eight games."*

The original link was to an article in the Observer headlined "Thierry Henry, you're having a laugh" but the link's broken.

A pal of mine who supports them said that at the time he and everyone he knew just knew that Wenger was wrong and that Henry wouldn't fit in. Many of them were saying he should be sold, he tells me.

Just saying.

Vin

*His first league goal being against... well, you don't need me to tell you.
 
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Puck said:
I suspect he's getting frustrated because he's not adapting to his new position as well as he wanted/hoped. Sometimes I get the feeling that he's trying too hard. I can easily imagine frustration spilling over into poor decisions and reactions.
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I think that's 90% of his inability to score.

Vin
 
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Yeah, I think the whole "Redmond isn't Henry" thing is kind of unproductive to discussion. Everyone who thinks that is almost certainly correct. And I'm guessing pretty much everyone thinks that. So let's just take that off the table.

I don't think even Puel expects Redmond to turn into Henry. That would be a silly thing to expect for even the top young player in the world. It was just a general analogy to make, saying he thought Redmond could be a good striker. And of course he'll say something nice about his own player to show his faith and give the guy something to dream about. What else would he say "Well, I'm going to try to turn Redmond into a striker, but believe you me this guy is no Henry. Not even close."

We don't need Redmond to be Henry. We just need him to be a reasonably good, maybe 10 goal/5-6 assist a year guy who works hard and creates some problems for the other side. I feel that is certainly within Redmond's capabilities and he could be better than that. But who knows?

As of now, he's just a promising young player who should never be compared to one of the all-time greats.
 
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The coaching staff had no input in the buying of redmond, if they watched him training and saw him as a striker then thats good enough for me
 
I've only seen the Swansea and West Ham games so far this season - I thought he was good but maybe over inspired. I think CP has him wound up a bit too much. Maybe a clockwork bunny with a pause button might result in a few goals! Did think he was gonna get sent off with his harassing of the ref.
 
Ian Thumwood said:
I thought he was a surprising signing. It always amazes me when some teams get relegated that there is such a frenzy to sign their players. Redmond may have been the pick of the bunch, but I don't think that Norwich really merited an EPL place. They looked good when they got promoted and also seem well suited to the Championship at the moment. Other than that, you can only suppose that the Saints scouts saw a lot of potential in Redmond.

Having watched him at St Mary's this season, I don't think he is as bad as some people make out. His finishing in the last league match against Swansea was atrocious yet I think you need to be mindful that he is still young. The same can be argued with Ward-Prowse whose finishing in front of goal is not what it should be at this level. Obviously, even as a winger, he is no match for Mane and part of me thinks that , if Saints are looking to progress, they would be better off with someone of that calibre. Pound for pound, English players are over-priced and, if the EPL is moving towards a more continental style of play, I think that any players from the British Isles will need to progress. I have mixed feelings about this as I like the rugged and physical side of the British game, especially when played at pace.

What I think is difficult to argue against as, taken in their respective positions, the youngsters we are producing ourselves (with the exception of JWP ) don't seem particularly inferior to the big-transfer man Redmond. How much would Targett be worth now? More interesting is the fact that Hojgberg looks a much better acquisition than Redmond and better value for money.
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Not sure he's a "big transfer man" Ian - he was only £10m which is the equivalent of a bargain bucket buy in this market. Other than Pied on a free, and our backup keeper he was our cheapest summer transfer.
 
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