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[moreinjuredthanowen]

I know I am an old bugger, but I remember paying £1.50 to stand on the Kop. I accept the average wage was probably £40 a week at the time.However, houses were cheaper as was petrol, etc so the disposable income was probably greater relatively.

so lets see...

lets guess. average wages for a guy could be £500 a week? 38/500 = 7.6%

1.5/40 = 3.75%

so thats double in terms of spend %... so if you go back to the earlier season titck table i posted the mid tbales clubs would be right bang in line with what you used to pay, in % terms.

We are therefore expensive. 28/500 = 5.6% so on average its crept up but then again it depends what you call an average wage too,

 

[moreinjuredthanowen]

I remember someone saying that in 1990 he paid £4 to stand on the Kop and a similar amount for fish and chips on the way home. He still pays £4 for his fish and chips on the way home but his ticket for the Kop is £40! Amazing when you think about it.

that is interesting.

There is a small element of its seated not standing there.

I looked at dortmunds ticket prices. just to see what a country like that would pay... they pay euro 16.7 for the big yellow wall but could pay 50 euros for the stand tickets aorund the gorund.


IF the kop were standing there would be a number close to that of the yellow wall 27k on it... in THEORY with that kind of thing and really not the same level of maintenance then the ticket price shoudl be back around £20.

So basically IMO this is why people discuss "safe standing" it does lower the cost... I don't want to discuss it at all. It gives me shudders.. sorry.

 

[Solid Air]

so lets see...

lets guess. average wages for a guy could be £500 a week? 38/500 = 7.6%

1.5/40 = 3.75%

so thats double in terms of spend %... so if you go back to the earlier season titck table i posted the mid tbales clubs would be right bang in line with what you used to pay, in % terms.

We are therefore expensive. 28/500 = 5.6% so on average its crept up but then again it depends what you call an average wage too,

your average* guy almost certainly gets less than £500 pw after tax NI union dues etc

*average in this case i'm using median as imo more realistic than mean in this context

 

[johnsonsbaby]

that is interesting.

There is a small element of its seated not standing there.

I looked at dortmunds ticket prices. just to see what a country like that would pay... they pay euro 16.7 for the big yellow wall but could pay 50 euros for the stand tickets aorund the gorund.


IF the kop were standing there would be a number close to that of the yellow wall 27k on it... in THEORY with that kind of thing and really not the same level of maintenance then the ticket price shoudl be back around £20.

So basically IMO this is why people discuss "safe standing" it does lower the cost... I don't want to discuss it at all. It gives me shudders.. sorry.

Good point about standing not sitting as they packed them in back then. Part of the argument for going back to or trialling standing again is that it will lower the ticket cost. Like you I don't want to discuss it either.

 

[InBiscanWeTrust]

I don't think it will because you won't get anymore in. Whole idea about safe standing is you have a foldable seat so you still only have the same number of spaces available

 

[moreinjuredthanowen]

I don't think it will because you won't get anymore in. Whole idea about safe standing is you have a foldable seat so you still only have the same number of spaces available

I dunno anything about it TBH.

 

[InBiscanWeTrust]

I dunno anything about it TBH.

They have rails with seats attached to them. For league games the seats are left up so you can stand but you only have 1 person where one seat would be so don't cram more people in. For European games the seats are then locked down in place so no longer standing area.

I know now it's a difficult subject but it works in Germany, Celtic are trailing it as well. It does mean you don't get kids sitting there not being able to see because you have men standing up in front of them. At least you know it's a standing zone and everyone will be standing so don't. It a ticket if you want to sit.

 

[moreinjuredthanowen]

They have rails with seats attached to them. For league games the seats are left up so you can stand but you only have 1 person where one seat would be so don't cram more people in. For European games the seats are then locked down in place so no longer standing area.

I know now it's a difficult subject but it works in Germany, Celtic are trailing it as well. It does mean you don't get kids sitting there not being able to see because you have men standing up in front of them. At least you know it's a standing zone and everyone will be standing so don't. It a ticket if you want to sit.

Right, thanks. Sound very different. They are all ticketed then, one person one regular Spot?

 

[InBiscanWeTrust]

Right, thanks. Sound very different. They are all ticketed then, one person one regular Spot?

Yup

 

[Diego]

Right, thanks. Sound very different. They are all ticketed then, one person one regular Spot?

Believe or not young un, they always have been.
Grounds and individual stands were given perceived capacities, that is why you could turn up at your favourite stand only to find the gates closed (they had sold their capacity tickets) and so, had to move around the ground to find an open turnstile with tickets left.

 

[moreinjuredthanowen]

Believe or not young un, they always have been.
Grounds and individual stands were given perceived capacities, that is why you could turn up at your favourite stand only to find the gates closed (they had sold their capacity tickets) and so, had to move around the ground to find an open turnstile with tickets left.

I'm sure they never packed in another 2k just because u til sk eine decided it looked packed.

 

[Diego]

I'm sure they never packed in another 2k just because u til sk eine decided it looked packed.

Don't even try to blame auto correct for that

Turnstiles had a limited number of tickets they could produce, after that the gate was shut. How do you think they used to give attendance figures back in the day?

 

[astro]

Don't even try to blame auto correct for that

Turnstiles had a limited number of tickets they could produce, after that the gate was shut. How do you think they used to give attendance figures back in the day?

37 * 273 * (your age) ?

 

[Diego]

37 * 273 * (your age) ?

 

[moreinjuredthanowen]

Don't even try to blame auto correct for that

Turnstiles had a limited number of tickets they could produce, after that the gate was shut. How do you think they used to give attendance figures back in the day?

No that really did come out of phones addled brain.

 

[johnsonsbaby]

I don't think it will because you won't get anymore in. Whole idea about safe standing is you have a foldable seat so you still only have the same number of spaces available

Like mito I don't know anything about it. Presumably talk of lower ticket prices with standing is just because you're standing and not sitting then?

btw I google imaged safe standing and in those pictures there looked to be way more people than one per seat standing in front of it. Not the best picture but don't tell me that's one person per seat standing!

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[moreinjuredthanowen]

Like mito I don't know anything about it. Presumably talk of lower ticket prices with standing is just because you're standing and not sitting then?

btw I google imaged safe standing and in those pictures there looked to be way more people than one per seat standing in front of it. Not the best picture but don't tell me that's one person per seat standing!

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they do look like they have space but not sitting space, but then the "seat" on a rail might be a stool type have you perch on rather than a full seat?

 

[moreinjuredthanowen]

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this really doesn't look like you'd get any more in.

This is a PURE I don't want kids or women near me section for men by the look of it. I don't see any less room being taken up by it and its purely a we want to be men of a certain ilk standing here and keep those families out.

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minnesota.


I cannot tell how this would actually be cheaper. The new main stand has huge leg room so ok this would suit the klopp or anfield roan end as a seat you can stand in more but i don't see how this really would get any more steps on anywhere.

I can see now what you mean IBWT.

I'm non plussed by it basically. I would probably use it but would not take my kids to it.... which is the intent.

Personally I prefer the families can go style of modern stadia.... but then again... the reality is I was not going to take my lad til he was 7 or so cos everyone stand sup every 2 minutes anyway.

 

[johnsonsbaby]

Interesting - http://www.safestandingroadshow.co.uk/the-case-for-safe-standing/case-for-3

 

[moreinjuredthanowen]

Interesting - http://www.safestandingroadshow.co.uk/the-case-for-safe-standing/case-for-3

so:

two ratios quoted: 1.8 standing with a seat to 1 seated. or 2... according to germany or something.

a) 12,409 on kop x 1.8 = 22,000 people.

At its height the kop was quoted at 27k though i suspect more got in.

b) 1/1.8 = 55% of the current space. So does anyone thing as a kopite that if given 55% of the space you would be comfortable as you would be made sit in this in a European game.

c) theory: 12,409 x 38 = 471k per match v 22,000x28 = 616k, so i can see from what you've shown were the ticket reduction and increased revenue comes from.

Again. is it that comfortable for anyone outside the "traditional" white male 5 foot 10 standing together stereotype?

I'm afraid there is an element of... lets convert the whole place and have utopia for the male fans to do whatever and get rid of the kids and women and tourists.