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saintKlopp said:
Doesn't matter. Whatever the explanation there must be a valid reason for Klopp to be treating him the way he is. The manager is god in these circumstances and whatever he says goes. The player needs to be professional, do his job, keep his head down and his gob shut. If he has issues with the way he is treated then he should bring them up in the correct manner, with the right people - not whinge on social media.
It's the same old story with footballers and these outlets. Professional footballers should just be kept in a cellar and only let out to play or train. There's plenty of time to be a spoilt kid when they retire.
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Completely agree but my point was more about him accepted his days are numbered whilst feeling unfairly treated.

Why should or would he sit back and let his reputation (in his opinion) get tarnished?

As I said earlier, a separation is best for both parties now.
 
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Jurgen said:
Completely agree but my point was more about him accepted his days are numbered whilst feeling unfairly treated.

Why should or would he sit back and let his reputation (in his opinion) get tarnished?

As I said earlier, a separation is best for both parties now.
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At least you see the man has a right to reply <ok> :emoticon-0100-smile
 
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Diego said:
Nope, a manager (if asked about team selection) should just say "this is the team I think is best for todays game". Why make up excuses about fitness or none existent injuries?
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Exactly. By telling a lie, Sakho as been forced to stand up for himself. He's stayed quiet for a while so what's changed? He knows Klopp doesn't fancy him
 
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Diego said:
Nope, a manager (if asked about team selection) should just say "this is the team I think is best for todays game". Why make up excuses about fitness or none existent injuries?
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Who says they are non-existent, apart from Sakho? Do you have a reason to believe him over Klopp or is it just an opportunist dig?
I think that the manager has to act in the best interests of the whole team, whereas the player is thinking of himself. I like Sakho, but he's shown a petulant side and a distinct lack of discipline several times, and his self interest cannot be put before that of the club.
 
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Diego said:
At least you see the man has a right to reply <ok> :emoticon-0100-smile
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If he still had a future at the club then I'd say he's bang out of order. However, for whatever reason (and I trust Klopp 100%), his days are numbered so why shouldn't he protect himself?
 
Jurgen said:
If he still had a future at the club then I'd say he's bang out of order. However, for whatever reason (and I trust Klopp 100%), his days are numbered so why shouldn't he protect himself?
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Quite right, we have a player that has been told by the manager (to his face and in the press) that he is unlikely to play for us again. The player has accepted this and decided to try and play his way back in, there is no confusion about fitness or attitude or anything else, the manager doesn't think he is of use to us and that's it.
I don't agree with our manager on this player but he is doing the job as he sees it and the player fully understands his position so has no cause for complaint.
 
Jurgen said:
If he still had a future at the club then I'd say he's bang out of order. However, for whatever reason (and I trust Klopp 100%), his days are numbered so why shouldn't he protect himself?
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Because while he's an employee of the club he shouldn't be saying things that are detrimental to it. He can talk all he likes after he's left.
 
Diego said:
Quite right, we have a player that has been told by the manager (to his face and in the press) that he is unlikely to play for us again. The player has accepted this and decided to try and play his way back in, there is no confusion about fitness or attitude or anything else, the manager doesn't think he is of use to us and that's it.
I don't agree with our manager on this player but he is doing the job as he sees it and the player fully understands his position so has no cause for complaint.
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I certainly won't moan about him speaking out in this situation (especially if Klopp as just lied) but it does show a lack of fight.

Rather than knuckling down and trying to fight his way back in, he's gone public and accepted/cemented his departure.

Maybe this is the attitude that got him in this position to begin with though?
 
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saintKlopp said:
Because while he's an employee of the club he shouldn't be saying things that are detrimental to it. He can talk all he likes after he's left.
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Maybe the club shouldn't lie in the first place without gaining the players agreement first?

He's clearly not wanted so why should he give a ****?
 
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Jurgen said:
Maybe the club shouldn't lie in the first place without gaining the players agreement first?

He's clearly not wanted so why should he give a ****?
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Has anyone admitted it was a lie? Even if they did, maybe Klopp thought that saying he wasn't fit looked better for the player rather than saying he's an ill-disciplined, sulky get and a disruptive influence?
Who knows - but why pass judgement without knowing the facts?
All I know is that I would back the manager in an altercation with a player in any but the most extreme circumstances.
 
saintKlopp said:
Has anyone admitted it was a lie? Even if they did, maybe Klopp thought that saying he wasn't fit looked better for the player rather than saying he's an ill-disciplined, sulky get and a disruptive influence?
Who knows - but why pass judgement without knowing the facts?
All I know is that I would back the manager in an altercation with a player in any but the most extreme circumstances.
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I haven't taken anyone's side Saint. I've said, if what Sakho as said is true then why shouldn't he stand up for himself?

I also said I trust Klopp 100%.

I actually think we're arguing the same thing from different angles here since my point was we don't know what's happened. You took the 'defending the club' route, I took the 'don't blame the player without knowing the facts' route.

Sakho clearly feels he's been hard done by imo. Whether that is the case or not is a different matter.
 
Jurgen said:
I haven't taken anyone's side Saint. I've said, if what Sakho as said is true then why shouldn't he stand up for himself?

I also said I trust Klopp 100%.

I actually think we're arguing the same thing from different angles here since my point was we don't know what's happened. You took the 'defending the club' route, I took the 'don't blame the player without knowing the facts' route.

Sakho clearly feels he's been hard done by imo. Whether that is the case or not is a different matter.
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I'm only blaming him for what he's done (moan on social media) because I don't think that it's an acceptable way for a player to resolve an issue with his manager.
With regards to the facts, it remains to be seen what the full reasons are, but we know Mama has disciplinary issues and I find it hard to believe that Klopp would shut out a talented player without valid reasons.
 
saintKlopp said:
I'm only blaming him for what he's done (moan on social media) because I don't think that it's an acceptable way for a player to resolve an issue with his manager.
With regards to the facts, it remains to be seen what the full reasons are, but we know Mama has disciplinary issues and I find it hard to believe that Klopp would shut out a talented player without valid reasons.
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Agree with that bit.

I also agree he shouldn't be speaking out but as I said before, why should he sit back and let his reputation be tarnished if the club are at fault?

We (you & I) love the club and therefore feel a association and loyalty to it. Sakho is a foreign player that's paid millions to play for us. He has no alliance, he has a contact which, if his claim is true (not saying it is or isn't), is being broken because he's not being given the opportunity or allowed to fulfil his contractual obligations; aka play football!
 
Diego said:
And you think the club (or maybe you) will be traumatised by him saying he is fit :huh:
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No, but it can be detrimental to team morale to have a player at odds with his manager and being outspoken about it.
As I've said several times now, if the player is unhappy he has the ability to confront his manager and have it out with him. Complaining on the internet is unacceptable, imo. And a bit pathetic.
 
Jurgen said:
Agree with that bit.

I also agree he shouldn't be speaking out but as I said before, why should he sit back and let his reputation be tarnished if the club are at fault?

We (you & I) love the club and therefore feel a association and loyalty to it. Sakho is a foreign player that's paid millions to play for us. He has no alliance, he has a contact which, if his claim is true (not saying it is or isn't), is being broken because he's not being given the opportunity or allowed to fulfil his contractual obligations; aka play football!
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I'm only going to say this once more because I'm sick of me saying it. Regardless of the reasons for the dispute, there are correct channels to go through to conduct a dispute and having a go on social media isn't one of them.
In my opinion.
Anyway, we're just going round in circles so I'm leaving this one here. <ok>
 
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