Daily Racing Thread Friday 16th. Sept. 2016

[OddDog]

From Racing Post:

"CHELTENHAM insists it is unconcerned by the presence of a large group of travellers who set up camp on racecourse land on Wednesday evening, with Jockey Club Racecourses having begun legal proceedings to remove the group from the premises.

Despite attempts from racecourse staff to prevent their entry, the travellers are refusing to move. The group set up on land used regularly as a car park including for their first race meeting of the season on October 21. Police were called to the premises on Wednesday morning.

Sophia Dale, communications manager for the south west region at Jockey Club Racecourses, said: "We are not worried by their presence. The necessary legal action is being taken against them and the police are aware. However, it is not a police issue and is a matter for the racecourse to deal with. They are refusing to leave but in our experience they should be gone within five working days."

This is not the first time that travellers have made their way onto racecourse grounds. Earlier this summer what is believed to be a different group was removed from the racecourse within five working days following legal action."

I immediately think of the Brad Pitt character from Snatch

 

[OddDog]

Hello, all.

Firstly, can I just say that win, lose, draw or non-run how good it was to read the opening 2 tips on this thread. Outstanding and 2 of the best reasoned arguments I’ve read on here for a while.

Secondly, though I feel something has to be said re this. At the time of logging-on 2 out of the opening 4 threads (after the 2 marked ‘sticky’ topics) were about boxing! Why, I say why??? Put to one side the fact that I find it boring, dull and totally tedious and the fact that boxing has to be the campest sport there is. But seriously what on earth are these threads doing on a horse racing thread especially when there is a boxing section on the Not 606 forum?!? I come on here to read views and tips and exchange opinions on horse racing and very little else. In recent times some very well respected and knowledgeable members have seemingly stopped posting and numbers do seem to be dwindling as a whole. People, you ain’t going to attract them back or interest new members onto a horse racing forum by discussing boxing! Afterall, I don’t go into my local fish and chip shop for a haircut! You follow?!?

Rant over and good luck to those wagering today.

Have to agree with this lads - keep the boxing to the one thread please, no need to put up a separate thread for a single fight. I will merge it into the boxing thread.

 

[SaveTheHumans]

Smullen even getting dodge pots over the line with his riding. Another corker. I've not backed 1 runner from the Weld barn all week Dermot has spotted a weakness in the market and boy are they exploiting it.

 

[SaveTheHumans]

From Racing Post:

"CHELTENHAM insists it is unconcerned by the presence of a large group of travellers who set up camp on racecourse land on Wednesday evening, with Jockey Club Racecourses having begun legal proceedings to remove the group from the premises.

Despite attempts from racecourse staff to prevent their entry, the travellers are refusing to move. The group set up on land used regularly as a car park including for their first race meeting of the season on October 21. Police were called to the premises on Wednesday morning.

Sophia Dale, communications manager for the south west region at Jockey Club Racecourses, said: "We are not worried by their presence. The necessary legal action is being taken against them and the police are aware. However, it is not a police issue and is a matter for the racecourse to deal with. They are refusing to leave but in our experience they should be gone within five working days."

This is not the first time that travellers have made their way onto racecourse grounds. Earlier this summer what is believed to be a different group was removed from the racecourse within five working days following legal action."

I immediately think of the Brad Pitt character from Snatch

I'll fight ya for it bass (boss) That's what they will be saying to the land owners at HQ!

Cheltenham open meeting, Ocean Colour Scene play after the racing and bare knuckle boxing throughout the day. Tickets £25.50.

 

[OddDog]

I'll fight ya for it bass (boss) That's what they will be saying to the land owners at HQ!

Cheltenham open meeting, Ocean Colour Scene play after the racing and bare knuckle boxing throughout the day. Tickets £25.50.

"D'yer like dergs?"

 

[OddDog]

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[Doalittle]

My darts at Newbury.

2.45 Leah Freya 3/1
Has won on heavy ground last year. Ran a credible race on her seasonal reappearance and has been campaigned as though stamina isn't an issue. Has dropped to a handy mark.

3.20 Cymro 2/1
Four of his five wins have come with cut in the ground. Won a good race last time and the two pound rise looks lenient.

3.55 Contrast 11/10
The only one of these to have run a mile on soft ground and wasn't beaten far in that good race.

4.25 Aclaim 3/1
Won a good maiden on soft ground. Back in trip after winning over a mile last time. I can't have So Beloved after his last run and the thumping he got from Breton Rock in similar conditions at Newmarket.

5.30 Lime and Lemon 5/1
In at the bottom of the weights on his first start for Clive Cox. Has been campaigned on slow ground.

Good luck if you follow.

Two winners
Two disappointments
And one chinned on the line

 

[Bostonbob]

I love Chappers. Thank God he's making the leap.

I need to be entertained when i'm watching racing especially because so much of it does not warrant TV coverage in any way shape or form. Bad Class 4 handicaps on a Saturday at Chester does not make great TV. It's his interaction with trainers, jockeys and owners that makes that bearable.

 

[Bostonbob]

When tuning to the 'Racing Forum' on ATR on a Sunday morning my heart, mind, brain and good humour sink when I discover he is the presenter; what the f..k is going on with the ridiculous knots in his neckwear?

I know Sunday is going downhill when Chapman and McCririck appear together on my TV screen.

Give me the dry humour of James Willoughby anyday! We don't need 'our' sport to be given populist and reactionary coverage.

Late Edit; have just read that ITV will not broadcast any racing between Cheltenham on New Years Day and the opening day of the National Hunt Festival. Hope you all have access to ITV4 or Racing UK.

Everyone has digital tv nowadays in the UK so what does it matter if it's on ITV1 or 4. I think racing is very lucky to have had the amount of coverage it's enjoyed for so long on the big 4 channels. Low viewing figures and a generally marginal sport that only piques interest of the masses at Cheltenham in March, Aintree (for one race) in April and maybe Derby day. The rest doesn't touch the sides for the vast majority of people in the UK.

I think the Sunday forum is at its finest when Chappers and Down are on together.

 

[QuarterMoonII]

No surprise that my friend’s horse Orithia was withdrawn after the deluge that hit Newbury. Surprisingly, she is also engaged at Kempton on Monday in the 2:10. A strange choice of race because (a) it is over five furlongs, (b) it is on the polytrack; and (c) the going is described as “standard to slow”, which does not indicate the quick ground that they were looking for is very likely.

Unless Newmarket stays Good or better, this weekend looks like a no bet with Newbury on the wrong side of Good as well as (predictably) Ayr.

 

[QuarterMoonII]

Everyone has digital tv nowadays in the UK so what does it matter if it's on ITV1 or 4. I think racing is very lucky to have had the amount of coverage it's enjoyed for so long on the big 4 channels. Low viewing figures and a generally marginal sport that only piques interest of the masses at Cheltenham in March, Aintree (for one race) in April and maybe Derby day. The rest doesn't touch the sides for the vast majority of people in the UK.

You missed out Royal Ascot – I know... they only watch that for the fashion but that is why most of them are at the track: social networking and to flaunt their wealth through their wardrobe.

Racing still enjoys coverage on terrestrial TV because it is one of the few sports that they can afford. They cannot compete with Sky or BT Sport for the football or the rugby. Horse racing is always going to attract low viewing figures because on a Saturday many potential viewers are going to be at the races or at the football/rugby.

 

[floridaspearl]

No surprise that my friend’s horse Orithia was withdrawn after the deluge that hit Newbury. Surprisingly, she is also engaged at Kempton on Monday in the 2:10. A strange choice of race because (a) it is over five furlongs, (b) it is on the polytrack; and (c) the going is described as “standard to slow”, which does not indicate the quick ground that they were looking for is very likely.

Unless Newmarket stays Good or better, this weekend looks like a no bet with Newbury on the wrong side of Good as well as (predictably) Ayr.

Qm, why is the going dependent on your betting perspective when different horses go on different ground?

 

[QuarterMoonII]

Qm, why is the going dependent on your betting perspective when different horses go on different ground?

My friend and the rest of the syndicate were told that the horse did not want the ground soft, so the trainer told them if it rained too much he would take it out of the race.

Myself I do not bet when the going is soft because the form book goes out of the window with the quick horses getting stuck in the mud. Over half a lifetime of betting, I have noticed that I always lose when the ground is soft so the obvious solution is do not bet.

 

[rudebwoy]

My friend and the rest of the syndicate were told that the horse did not want the ground soft, so the trainer told them if it rained too much he would take it out of the race.

Myself I do not bet when the going is soft because the form book goes out of the window with the quick horses getting stuck in the mud. Over half a lifetime of betting, I have noticed that I always lose when the ground is soft so the obvious solution is do not bet.[/QUOTE

I take it you don't have much involvement in the jumps scene then , since most of that occurs with soft ground being the prevailing condition - surely it's easier when you know if soft ground horses have their preferred surface ......each to their own I suppose !

 

[QuarterMoonII]

I take it you don't have much involvement in the jumps scene then , since most of that occurs with soft ground being the prevailing condition - surely it's easier when you know if soft ground horses have their preferred surface ......each to their own I suppose !

On the flat when it is soft one week and it has been quick the previous month, there is no soft ground form. I will not back some plodder that won last October on heavy ground, but has dropped to a ten pound lower mark running nowhere on quick ground because I only bet on recent form that a horse can be relied upon to reproduce now.

I can understand your point about betting on National Hunt racing – during the winter months, the ground should mostly be consistently soft so the form should be reliable from one week to the next.

The problem is that I discovered quite young that most of the trainers are crooked. I knew a couple of old boys that owned a couple of horses that were no world beaters. The trainers would basically school them in public, hacking round in midfield with no chance to win (like half of them still do despite the supposed non-triers rules), but then when they had the right handicap mark and entered in the right sort of race they would be trying. The old boys regularly got tips for the other horses in their trainers’ yards but they frequently were not ‘win’ tips but “this will definitely be placed” (even though it was 20/1 or 25/1) and they were quite often profitable each-way bets. The prize money was rubbish so fiddling was the only way to make it pay.

Nowadays the only time I bet on NH is if I am sat at home in front of the box during the Cheltenham Festival (burning holiday days) when I will have a few quid on some of the Championship races (where they will all be trying!) for an interest. I would not touch any of the handicaps at Cheltenham as most of the crooks have been fiddling their horses all season to get the right handicap mark so the form is absolutely worthless, which is why there are usually so many bookie-priced winners.

From a competitive point of view the problem with NH is that most of the big names avoid each other until March by cherry-picking the big Saturday pots but that is a problem that NH racing created itself.

If we have a wet spring next year, I will probably pack in betting on flat racing because we have had three or four wet summers on the trot and I am quite happy to watch the sport without having a bet. My friends are frequently incredulous when I have been to the races and they ask if I won and I say I never had a bet, to which I retort that they go to the football on a Saturday without having done a pools coupon. They see horseracing solely as a betting medium, not a sport, so when I go to the races with any of them they spend most of the afternoon going between the bar and the bookmakers.

 

[Doalittle]

On the flat when it is soft one week and it has been quick the previous month, there is no soft ground form. I will not back some plodder that won last October on heavy ground, but has dropped to a ten pound lower mark running nowhere on quick ground because I only bet on recent form that a horse can be relied upon to reproduce now.

I can understand your point about betting on National Hunt racing – during the winter months, the ground should mostly be consistently soft so the form should be reliable from one week to the next.

The problem is that I discovered quite young that most of the trainers are crooked. I knew a couple of old boys that owned a couple of horses that were no world beaters. The trainers would basically school them in public, hacking round in midfield with no chance to win (like half of them still do despite the supposed non-triers rules), but then when they had the right handicap mark and entered in the right sort of race they would be trying. The old boys regularly got tips for the other horses in their trainers’ yards but they frequently were not ‘win’ tips but “this will definitely be placed” (even though it was 20/1 or 25/1) and they were quite often profitable each-way bets. The prize money was rubbish so fiddling was the only way to make it pay.

Nowadays the only time I bet on NH is if I am sat at home in front of the box during the Cheltenham Festival (burning holiday days) when I will have a few quid on some of the Championship races (where they will all be trying!) for an interest. I would not touch any of the handicaps at Cheltenham as most of the crooks have been fiddling their horses all season to get the right handicap mark so the form is absolutely worthless, which is why there are usually so many bookie-priced winners.

From a competitive point of view the problem with NH is that most of the big names avoid each other until March by cherry-picking the big Saturday pots but that is a problem that NH racing created itself.

If we have a wet spring next year, I will probably pack in betting on flat racing because we have had three or four wet summers on the trot and I am quite happy to watch the sport without having a bet. My friends are frequently incredulous when I have been to the races and they ask if I won and I say I never had a bet, to which I retort that they go to the football on a Saturday without having done a pools coupon. They see horseracing solely as a betting medium, not a sport, so when I go to the races with any of them they spend most of the afternoon going between the bar and the bookmakers.

Are you suggesting that the flat doesn't have non tryers?

 

[Doalittle]

On the flat when it is soft one week and it has been quick the previous month, there is no soft ground form. I will not back some plodder that won last October on heavy ground, but has dropped to a ten pound lower mark running nowhere on quick ground because I only bet on recent form that a horse can be relied upon to reproduce now.

I can understand your point about betting on National Hunt racing – during the winter months, the ground should mostly be consistently soft so the form should be reliable from one week to the next.

The problem is that I discovered quite young that most of the trainers are crooked. I knew a couple of old boys that owned a couple of horses that were no world beaters. The trainers would basically school them in public, hacking round in midfield with no chance to win (like half of them still do despite the supposed non-triers rules), but then when they had the right handicap mark and entered in the right sort of race they would be trying. The old boys regularly got tips for the other horses in their trainers’ yards but they frequently were not ‘win’ tips but “this will definitely be placed” (even though it was 20/1 or 25/1) and they were quite often profitable each-way bets. The prize money was rubbish so fiddling was the only way to make it pay.

Nowadays the only time I bet on NH is if I am sat at home in front of the box during the Cheltenham Festival (burning holiday days) when I will have a few quid on some of the Championship races (where they will all be trying!) for an interest. I would not touch any of the handicaps at Cheltenham as most of the crooks have been fiddling their horses all season to get the right handicap mark so the form is absolutely worthless, which is why there are usually so many bookie-priced winners.

From a competitive point of view the problem with NH is that most of the big names avoid each other until March by cherry-picking the big Saturday pots but that is a problem that NH racing created itself.

If we have a wet spring next year, I will probably pack in betting on flat racing because we have had three or four wet summers on the trot and I am quite happy to watch the sport without having a bet. My friends are frequently incredulous when I have been to the races and they ask if I won and I say I never had a bet, to which I retort that they go to the football on a Saturday without having done a pools coupon. They see horseracing solely as a betting medium, not a sport, so when I go to the races with any of them they spend most of the afternoon going between the bar and the bookmakers.

Are you suggesting that the flat doesn't have non tryers?

 

[QuarterMoonII]

Are you suggesting that the flat doesn't have non tryers?

Not at all. Under both codes the stewards only give lip service to the rule. The jockey has to make it really obvious that he is taking a pull to get done. It must be much easier to give your horse an easy time in a two-and-a-half mile chase than a six furlong sprint.

Under both codes the easiest way to fiddle a horse is to run it on the wrong ground (if your horse has a preference) or over the wrong distance. On the flat, I regularly look at handicaps and see horses running in mile races that have only ever won over five and six furlongs – they know the horse is going to go out like a light in the last two furlongs and the handicapper will drop them a couple of pounds. The jockey can ride the horse so it is not classed a non trier even though it has no chance. It is one of the quick ways that I use to narrow down the runners in any race where I am thinking of having a bet.