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  1. Milk not bear jizz

    Milk not bear jizz Grasser-In-Chief

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    Trump might be in trouble. His campaign purchased thousands of copies of his book.

    It is against federal law to use campaign money to pay yourself. Since Trump accepts royalties on his book he may have unwittingly broken the law. (I doubt it was deliberate- he's unlikely to risk breaking federal law so transparently for a few thousand dollars)
     
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    Treble Keyser Söze

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    What I find most disappointing are the other people on the beach who curse and shout at those women when the police arrive. I can understand a local council or government getting it wrong, but when you have the public joining in, it's ****ing appalling. I'll be honest, when I saw the shouting by the public I felt like "**** you France" despite the terrorist attacks if that's their society. I know I shouldn't but it seems to me they have NO interest in actually building a pluralist society where everyone is welcome and considered equal.

    Having said that I also try to see things from the opposing view. IF a woman from France went to Saudi Arabi for example, she would have to dress according to their rules and regulations. Not sure that's enough of a reason to justify these restrictions in France though. The ruling classes in Saudi are ignorant bastards.
     
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  5. Milk not bear jizz

    Milk not bear jizz Grasser-In-Chief

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    I consider that wrong too but I hold a free nation like France to a higher standard. Wearing a burka wouldn't be against a Christian religion. Not wearing a burka is against some Islamic woman's religion.

    Yes Saudia Arabia is wrong and immoral. I take that as a given.


    If France were to arrest and fine white people wearing crucifix necklaces and stars of David, and forcing nuns to wear bikinis instead of habits then there would at least be consistency.

    I bet there are women wearing wedding rings on their left hands on the beach unhindered.

    It's only Islamic clothing being targeted.
     
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    That's an interesting point actually. My initial reaction is that it's ridiculous to dictate what someone can or can't wear in any situation unless it is for security reasons such as no covered faces at public events or some other such restriction with at least an attempt at logical reasoning behind it.

    But I've also always been of the opinion that you respect the traditions and expectations of any country you choose to visit or live in. I've been to several countries who have varying degrees of religious conservatism and different religious sites of importance around the world and always respected things like covering up, wearing or not wearing a particular piece of clothing or avoiding displays of affection etc... It's never been an issue I even questioned and in fact feel it made my experiences of those cultures more authentic. I feel good respecting people when I'm a guest to there country and society. If I felt strongly enough about a particular expectation I would not visit the country.

    Is there a difference between that and the decision nations like France are making that it isn't for them socially acceptable to wear certain clothing? Or that people should act within certain parameters they set? Should those visiting and living within the country not respect these things the same way we would expect to do if the shoe was on the other foot?

    Reversing the roles would seem to throw up some interesting questions, yet I cannot go beyond the feeling that it is wrong to persecute people in this way and we choose to respect the places we go to because we feel it's what's morally right to do, not because we agree with there own methods of persecution, or rather control or culture.

    The perceived cultural actions of others should not justify a loss of our own social and moral identity. We choose to be respectful in the face of disagreement and we should choose to rise above tit for tat legislation that will only further alienate and divide sub-sections of our societies.

    There are very real issues to face around the subject of integration and they shouldn't be tainted by fear driven policy making, political point scoring and rash or stupid decisions.
     
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    They've openly stated that the Burkini is associated with islamic terrorists and therefore it's banned so as not offend the general public.

    I often find that the more bare-faced you are with your racism, the more it is condoned... and even supported. You look at Farage, Trump, and then the French Council who spouted the above.
     
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    LuisDiazgamechanger Dribbles

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    Red Hadron Collider The Hammerhead

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    Small glimmer of hope for French integrity...their courts have overturned the ban on the Burkini nonsense.

    Bad news? Two mayors have stated they will ignore the ruling and that ****ed up dwarf Nicolas Sarkozy has said he'd make it a total ban.

    I've always thought it funny this myth that France was the European birthplace of enlightenment and democracy...maybe as an influence but in practical terms they've generally been the opposite of the ideals they espouse...
     
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    Milk not bear jizz Grasser-In-Chief

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    Charlemagne. Tried to conquer Europe and had whole tribes killed.

    Philip Augustus tried to arrest or kill every Jew in France.

    Louis VIII stole all the money from the Jews.

    Louis IX burnt all Jewish books.

    Philip the "Fair" bannished all Jews.

    Charles VI bannished all Jews that had returned.

    Louis XIV tried to kill every protestant in France.

    Napoleon: right after France experiment as with democracy this tyrant took over as a dictator. Tried to conquer Europe. Executed whole groups of people and Tried to execute the entire upper class of Europe.

    Throughout 21st century France has had one of the largest far right nationalist movements in the western world.

    France has a long history of intolerance.
     
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    http://rochdaleherald.co.uk/breaking-news/outrage-as-women-flaunt-burkini-ban-on-rochdale-beach/
     
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    I've always wondered if the likes of France, Germany, Spain, Portugal and Holland have this internal debate and self loathing about their past empires that the UK does.
     
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    He really had no where else to go did he? Laugh is they might have lapped it up but the same type walked away calling him a limey bastard from a pissant little country lol
     
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    moreinjuredthanowen Mr Brightside

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    Farage is out to make a name over there. Id say he'd love to be the next peirs morgan or get on the talk circuit and rake it un.

    I doubt anyone knew who the little **** is
     
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    That's all I need. Another asshat compatriot to help form negative stereotypes of Britain.

    There's already Gordon Ramsay, Simon Cowell, Piers Morgan. Any more and the stereotype that Brits are all polite intellectuals that drink tea all day long will be completely dashed.

    I will no longer have stereotypes working in my favour when I meet a stranger for the first time.
     
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    Be careful what you wish for, we may send you Russell Brand <laugh>
     
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