Match Day Thread 2016/17 Premier League, Cups & Euro Watch
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No you haven't. The only thing you said that half resembled an argument was "I don't see what he has to gain from announcing it at all". That could easily be used for not saying anything. The only thing he was doing was feeding his disciples!
He could have just not said anything. By saying something, he's fighting against racism by highlighting racism. Seems a bit cock eyed to me that, it's indirectly adding to racism because it's highlighting the issue further!
The rest of what you said was just your usually jibbering nonsense
Mweh, his ancestors aren't doing anything...they are dead..
.have been for some time.
We had Houses of Parliament back then too, does he refuse to vote on the principle that body once condoned slavery/ racism?.How about trains...that network was built on the resources stolen from the Empire? Does he refuse to get on a train?
Silly Arbitrary nonsense...yet another person whining about an empire that is responsible for Britain being a first world country in the modern era while enjoying the benefits of said country as a free citizen.
Learn lessons from history, sure...just don't wallow in it.
.have been for some time.
We had Houses of Parliament back then too, does he refuse to vote on the principle that body once condoned slavery/ racism?.How about trains...that network was built on the resources stolen from the Empire? Does he refuse to get on a train?
Silly Arbitrary nonsense...yet another person whining about an empire that is responsible for Britain being a first world country in the modern era while enjoying the benefits of said country as a free citizen.
Learn lessons from history, sure...just don't wallow in it.
A bit like Loyalists wallowing in their historical "up to their knees in Fenian blood" days every July for hundreds of years since though frank.
Learn to forgive, but never forget.
No you haven't. The only thing you said that half resembled an argument was "I don't see what he has to gain from announcing it at all". That could easily be used for not saying anything. The only thing he was doing was feeding his disciples!
He could have just not said anything. By saying something, he's fighting against racism by highlighting racism. Seems a bit cock eyed to me that, it's indirectly adding to racism because it's highlighting the issue further!
The rest of what you said was just your usually jibbering nonsense
The whole point of organisations like Show Racism the Red Card is to highlight racism! They would be a pointless organisation if they just ignored racism and brushed it under the carpet. Also its a bit of a backward view that if you speak out about racism you are indirectly contributing to racism. What do you suggest people do, ignore it and hope it all blows over?
Nothing wrong with telling people they're out of order of they're being racist. Promoting it when nothings happening or because you think you're performing a honourable act is different.
Not sure people would "defending" it had it been Sol Campbell!
IMO there was absolutely no need for him to make this announcement. It's his way of telling the world he got the award despite declining it [HASHTAG]#attentionseekingwhore[/HASHTAG]
A bit like Loyalists wallowing in their historical "up to their knees in Fenian blood" days every July for hundreds of years since though frank.
Learn to forgive, but never forget.
The Irish disease in general Page...If we as a people spent as much effort on the present as we do on the past 400 years we'd be one hell of a country!
I know from my family tree I had ancestors kicked off their land during the plantation on the Irish side..since my Father although English, surname is Graham which is Scottish and theres Graham's in NI some of my other ancestors probably stole some other poor sods land.
None of which has remotely anything to do with me today or problems I face (other than those that want to replay it over and over and use it as an excuse to whine about their lives)
So same with Gayle...if he can even name his slave ancestors I'd be surprised and he certainly never faced their specific problems and to identify with them as such is as insulting to their lives as accepting an MBE.
Wasn't having a personal pop at you frank, just think it was as valid for him to make a historical stance against a totally bent and outdated form of merit as it is to celebrate the slaughter of an era when only the establishment/the rich won such awards.
I know you weren't Page. I have no problem with him not accepting one, no matter the reason. I have no problem with him or anyone else arguing for the removal of an antiquated system that on one extreme rewards political cronies and the on the other is little more than an ego stroke for celebs, especially the part that actually places these people in our Govt!
But there are plenty of relevant current reasons for removing that system and replacing it without harking back 200+ years. It diverts the argument.
Same with him clearly wanting to link it to his work against racism. It's ridiculous and an unwanted distraction. How does starting a discussion or debate about slavery or a society long dead who took part in it tackle the real and very different problems faced by ethnic groups today?
I'm all for an unflinching and accurate account of our history but it is just that..history. unless he's fighting against some new proposal to reintroduce slavery I didn't hear about...
No you haven't. The only thing you said that half resembled an argument was "I don't see what he has to gain from announcing it at all". That could easily be used for not saying anything. The only thing he was doing was feeding his disciples!
He could have just not said anything. By saying something, he's fighting against racism by highlighting racism. Seems a bit cock eyed to me that, it's indirectly adding to racism because it's highlighting the issue further!
The rest of what you said was just your usually jibbering nonsense
You need to learn to read. I stated several things. You highlighted one out of context and missed the rest. I'll repeat it individually so hopefully you can follow the train of thought... here we go....
If you had read what he said properly, he was being honoured for his very public work in the "Show Racism the Red Card". As a result of it being associated with the initiative maybe he felt the need to publicly disclose or explain why he hadn't accepted the award.
Maybe he wanted to publicly stick two fingers up against an award which went against his principles and something that was very personal to him.
Here's another one... by publicly declining the award he's highlighting the very flaw in continuing with something associated with the injustices of the British Empire. If we never get to know about people declining the award then we assume everyone accepts it and in our ignorance condone its tainted history... and he would be complicit in that.
3 very valid alternatives to your absolute assumption that he's an attention seeker when you have nothing to back it up.
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You need to learn to read. I stated several things. You highlighted one out of context and missed the rest. I'll repeat it individually so hopefully you can follow the train of thought... here we go....
If you had read what he said properly, he was being honoured for his very public work in the "Show Racism the Red Card". As a result of it being associated with the initiative maybe he felt the need to publicly disclose or explain why he hadn't accepted the award.
Maybe he wanted to publicly stick two fingers up against an award which went against his principles and something that was very personal to him.
Here's another one... by publicly declining the award he's highlighting the very flaw in continuing with something associated with the injustices of the British Empire. If we never get to know about people declining the award then we assume everyone accepts it and in our ignorance condone its tainted history... and he would be complicit in that.
3 very valid alternatives to your absolute assumption that he's an attention seeker when you have nothing to back it up.
He wanted to do it publicly alright [HASHTAG]#attentionseekingwhore[/HASHTAG]
Ehhhhh... i said it on his facebook page to his own followers who had gotten wind of said award like....
Ffs.... cut him a bit of slack...
Its a free country so you can have a pop and he can say what he likes.
Not a right to either but a privilege.
Ive heard both sides as a result and the opinion i have is as a result unchanged but interested in why this would be seen as a slap in the face of anyone
Ffs.... cut him a bit of slack...
Its a free country so you can have a pop and he can say what he likes.
Not a right to either but a privilege.
Ive heard both sides as a result and the opinion i have is as a result unchanged but interested in why this would be seen as a slap in the face of anyone
A bit like Loyalists wallowing in their historical "up to their knees in Fenian blood" days every July for hundreds of years since though frank.
Learn to forgive, but never forget.
Where's Billy?
Add Roald Dahl to that list too. Think he declined an honour(s) and died honourless.Ahh you beat me to it.
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Fair play
Others who have turned it down...
- LS Lowry - the painter turned down a total of five honours, including an OBE in 1955, a CBE in 1961 and a knighthood in 1968
- Benjamin Zephaniah - the poet spurned an OBE in 2003 saying it stood for colonial brutality and slavery
- David Bowie - the music legend turned down a CBE in 2000
- Dawn French and Jennifer Saunders - the comedy duo refused OBEs in 2001
- John Lennon - the Beatles legend returned his MBE four years after accepting it in 1965 in protest against the Vietnam and Biafran wars
- JG Ballard - the writer rejected a CBE saying he was opposed to the "preposterous charade" of the honours system
I've not read a thing about it mate, was just being a ****
thats my job.
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