Veganism
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I did it for a while in college but it was to hard to go to college and not eat pizza. Im a vegetarian though.
Can't beat a nice tasty pig.
If we didn't eat meat, then they'd be all over the place, blocking up roads, filling up pubs, no one can get to the bar!
If we didn't eat meat, then they'd be all over the place, blocking up roads, filling up pubs, no one can get to the bar!
Motives are important in this debate.
Ova-lactic vegetarians might abstain from eating dead animals and fish for two main reasons; disgust at slaughtering poor creatures for our nutrition, or concern for our health. Some might combine the two. I personally refuse to eat creatures that are killed just so I can eat them but couldn't care less about my health, I am going to die sooner or later.
Due to pressure from animal rights campaigners conditions are gradually improving. We can easily obtain eggs from chickens that every day mount an expedition into fields, and cows that produce organic milk have a reasonable time of it. So for these reasons my view is that while some vegans might have animal welfare concerns, they are mostly in the "what about my health" camp.
Another issue for me is New Age culture. It seems to me veganism is often combined with mysticism, Deepak Chopra, Shakti Gawain, healing and Rudolph Steiner. I just cannot stand such tripe.
Conclusion; most vegans are egoistic, and some are nutcases.
Ova-lactic vegetarians might abstain from eating dead animals and fish for two main reasons; disgust at slaughtering poor creatures for our nutrition, or concern for our health. Some might combine the two. I personally refuse to eat creatures that are killed just so I can eat them but couldn't care less about my health, I am going to die sooner or later.
Due to pressure from animal rights campaigners conditions are gradually improving. We can easily obtain eggs from chickens that every day mount an expedition into fields, and cows that produce organic milk have a reasonable time of it. So for these reasons my view is that while some vegans might have animal welfare concerns, they are mostly in the "what about my health" camp.
Another issue for me is New Age culture. It seems to me veganism is often combined with mysticism, Deepak Chopra, Shakti Gawain, healing and Rudolph Steiner. I just cannot stand such tripe.
Conclusion; most vegans are egoistic, and some are nutcases.
Don't have anything against it. Went vegetarian for a month at uni but I'm eating meat again. I'm amoral so the moral arguments by vegans on why we shouldn't eat meat aren't reasons to not eat meat from my perspective. I did it to try it out, not because I think eating the flesh of a dead animal is immoral. I find eating meat enjoyable so I'll continue to do as long as I can get away with it. I don't believe in objective good and evil so moral posturing by vegans on why I shouldn't eat meat is just pointless. The health benefits of veganism and vegetarianism are pretty clear in that both diets contain considerably fewer carcinogens than a meat-based diet, particularly one that includes red meat. But I smoke anyway so it would be rather pointless to cut out cancerous meat, my appreciation of life in general isn't that great, including my own lmao. I just found that eating no meat for a month limited food choices, especially in nice restaurants.
Plus, I've tasted soy and almond milk and it really is ****e.
Plus, I've tasted soy and almond milk and it really is ****e.
Cutting animal products from your diet is no more or less healthy than eating animal products it depends entirely on the diet. Two of the unhealthiest foods in the modern diet are hydrogenated vegetable oil and refined sugar, they are leading causes of obesity, diabetes and some cancers to name a few, they are also completely vegan.
To me you can't be an ova-lactic vegetarian and concerned about animal welfare, the egg and dairy industry are probably more brutal than the meat industry and whilst you can buy organic and free range products they are rarely any better. Organic only refers to the feed which is given to the animals, not the conditions they live in and the same brutal practices such as killing male chicks and calfs as soon as they are born continues. Free-range conjures up a nice image of hens roaming around an open field but in reality, there's 10,000 or so in a barn with little space to move, they still have their beaks burnt off and are overfed to the point of illness.
One of my mates is a vegetarian and the reason he refuses to eat meat or fish is due to the factory farming and fishing industries. Like me, he does not think eating animals is immoral but rather he believes the industries which produce the overwhelming majority of the world's meat and fish is immoral, including 'free-range' and 'organic'. He told me that if he owned a small self-sustaining farm with livestock, he would raise the animals himself, slaughter them himself and prepare them for meals himself. Same goes for fish in that he would catch them himself.
The ones who wind me up are the half hearted types. I know a 'vegetarian' who wears leather and drinks non veggie wine - how does that work? So back on topic, if you're committed to it then you've got BCC's blessing.
I imagine that means a lot.
I imagine that means a lot.
Sometimes something clicks in my brain & I just don't fancy meat! I dont know if its because I've watched it being prepared or seen it hung up?even the thought of cutting into a poached egg can make me feel ill! Then as quickly as the feeling comes over me, it goes then I'm ok! It's even happend when I've been pissed When you're usually at your most vulnerable for temptation for a kebab! Very strange!
I couldn't cope at Christmas without pigs in blankets.
"Organic" is a brand and some of what you put has merit. But near me the organic cattle are certainly not overcrowded and often wander about in pasture. And I get my eggs from a woman in the next village. Her hens roam about fine conditions, and I see others wandering about in open fields all day. These are where I get my eggs and milk, and I never buy supermarket eggs.
Have you considered over-population? The problems you describe - true as they are - are due to industrialization and over-population. I'd say the UK cannot feed more than 30 million people at best, and even then it would take imports to provide variety. It won't be in my lifetime, but sooner or later agriculture will be forced to turn organic because industrial farming as we know it simply isn't sustainable. Some should enjoy it while it lasts.
Medical reasons, sure.
Moralistic, no, you're a ****. Doing it to protest about the food industry, frig me. I guess you only eat/drink anything fair trade too? You're ok with the banking industry and use their services, right? I presume you don't use a vehicle that requires fuel too? Only natural remedies for you too, no modern medicine. Nothing you own is made of metal or plastic, else you'd be supporting huge evil mining, drilling then making **** corporations who exploit their employees, the land.
Etc.
My final word on this is, if we weren't meant to eat meat, why's it taste so frigging good eh?
Moralistic, no, you're a ****. Doing it to protest about the food industry, frig me. I guess you only eat/drink anything fair trade too? You're ok with the banking industry and use their services, right? I presume you don't use a vehicle that requires fuel too? Only natural remedies for you too, no modern medicine. Nothing you own is made of metal or plastic, else you'd be supporting huge evil mining, drilling then making **** corporations who exploit their employees, the land.
Etc.
My final word on this is, if we weren't meant to eat meat, why's it taste so frigging good eh?
Like industrial brewing, industrial wine making is all about low cost. High quality yeast to convert sugar into ethanol for us to get pissed up on settles the sediment naturally, and the wine or ale can be siphoned off ready to drink. But high quality yeast strains have to be propagated by specialists under very controlled conditions to prevent contamination. Good yeast is expensive.
Industrial drink makers therefore lean towards cheap yeast. It doesn't settle out all the sediment, and you get a cloudy and foul tasting drink. To solve that they use "finings". That means they add something into the drink that causes the bad tasting dead yeast cells to coagulate, and therefore clear the wine or ale. The favourite finings are gelatine (boiled abbatoir waste) or isinglass (obtained from the swim bladder of a sturgeon).
Vegetarian wines and ales do not use animal products to clear them of cloud from dead yeast cells.
And as yeast is not considered an animal I have no problem using it to brew ale or make wine.
Bacon - it tastes too good to turn vegan or vegetarian