I never said they have my approval and yes, I would rather hear silence than IRA tunes since you asked. They way you talk you would have us believe that only the GB ever did any singing, so i'm guesing they have your 100% support. Would that be accurate? And do you agree with their statement? "On the issue of songs we feel that if a song does not have sectarian lyrics then it shouldn't be offensive to anyone". And in case you had not noticed, I am not a lone voice on what the GB should sing, try reading the rest of the posts and it should be clear that the majority do not want IRA songs for various reasons.
Dev, going back a bit I never implied you were from Govan I have no idea where you or from , nor do I care. Irish songs sung at Celtic Park, very few of our supporters resent them. Rangers fans from Govan and else where in all probability do. But many rangers fans are hard to please, even some in the media cannot stand or tolerate a Celtic fan coughing. There are very many Irish songs sung at Celtic Park that should be acceptable to all decent sensible people. Similarly there are very many Irish songs song at Celtic Park with lyrics about the IRA that should also be acceptable to all decent people. eg. (Merry Ploughboy James Connelly and Kevin Barry.) I believe the Uk Queen Prayed for the later two this year. Instead of you Dev posting about things you don't like and obviously know little about: you should be posting about some way about resolving " what you see as a problem ". I and someone else printed the framework of a solution but you just want to reject it and offerer nothing in return. We can't go back 4 or 5 years and have wakes at Celtic Park what is your solution which has to include loud good support for the Celtic team, making Celtic Park a fortress again. Remember that is the one thing Rangers and their allies don't want in Scottish Football. Do you want what they want?
How do you know what I know "little about"? If you had bothered reading I have already said I have no problem with "folk" songs but I do have a problem with IRA songs, you seem to be condoning it or supporting it but feel free to correct me if i'm wrong? From what i can read you agree with the GB's statement, in fact you seem to echo it? "On the issue of songs we feel that if a song does not have sectarian lyrics then it shouldn't be offensive to anyone". Is that how you feel? A simple yes or no will suffice then I will know where you stand on the issue, we already know where I stand.
I can't have Dev winning the argument, but he is. The premise that if a song is non sectarian, then it does not have the capacity to offend is crazy. The purpose of the legislation is not to prevent people from expressing robust, indeed offensive opinions, it is about people trying to cause trouble at games. It is not just about the capacity to offend but also about what you are doing, why you are doing it, and who you are doing it to. That is the 'opinion' of Paul McBride. Context is everything, a point that Phil MacGiollaBhain has singularly missed. By this criteria, I will not be falling foul of the law if I sing Roll of honour at Celtic Park. The guy next to me might be breaking the law for doing the exact same thing as me. It isn't as simple as saying 'this is illegal'.
By the same token, a Hun singing the sash might not be breaking the law by singing the sash but his mate next to him might be. The Police have ****ed up with that statement. It is completely at odds with the idea that there would not be a list of proscribed songs. If of course the reporting is accurate. I have no reason to believe otherwise.
Edge. I am awfully sorry i did not use all the comma's that obviously you would have liked. I did not think this was an English Language exam. Regarding to paragraphs again I wasn't as careful as if I was doing a English Language exam, I thought 4 in about 12 lines did not really show much aversion. Edge all I will say to you nit pik "IS THOSE THAT MATTER DON'T MIND THOSE WHO MIND DON'T MATTER" If you have nothing better to do with your time I feel sorry for you. This is an internal Celtic debate, trying to diffuse the singing situation from a Celtic prospective. I am sure you are having the same debate about of getting rid of almost your entire hate filed song book. Celtic fans take no pride in your lot getting continuously fined by UEFA and you never know God Forbid the SFA without direct input from a Rangers man, may act impartially and start punishing your lot. Dev Advocate. As far as I can gather advocates a quiet mournful Celtic Park, giving visiting teams an equal chance. What a sportsman. Dev you push me for answer but you refuse to answer my question, so I put it to you again. Is it o/k to sings songs about Irish Men who the Queen Laid a Wreath and bowed her head in Prayer. That was regarded as a very moving and meaningful event, I was just thinking and wondering if the significance has spread throughout her realm. Answer please, nothing to do with folk songs.
The Queen laid a wreath "for all those who gave their lives in the cause of Irish freedom" so in your opinion that gives people carte blanche or unwritten permission to sing songs praising the IRA? The Queen has acknowledged that the men who died did so for a genuine cause, a worthy sentiment indeed but Iâm perplexed as to why you think that gives Celtic fans an excuse to continue to chant about the IRA. I personally could not really give two ****s what the Queen does but there you go, that's a different subject entirely. I have already explained why the songs should not be sung, not because they are illegal but because they are offensive âto someâ, they are offensive to the general public because they do not have the deep knowledge of Irish history which you have garnered through your deep studies and therefore the average Joe on the street thinks that Celtic fans are praising the Provisional IRA, in fact I am in no doubt that some are. Celtic fans of course are entitled to opinions but in my opinion (and many others, some of whom have said so on this very thread), Parkhead is no place for those opinions to be voiced because it does the club harm and causes offense. Do you think that âno reasonable person should be offended by songs about the IRA? Or do you simply not care? Are your beliefs and opinions more important than the club? Am I (and others) being "unreasonable" for not wanting the songs sung?
What the Fuk is a reasonable person Resonable people allowed a holocaust Reasonable people allowed slavery Yet showing skin above the knee would be ghastly to these people A reasonable person believes what they are told and finds comfort in never taking sides If you get offended its your own fault for not growing balls
just for the record, i don't seek legitimacy for Republicanism in the Queen of england paying homage to those who took part in the easter rising. I see Republican songs of whatever era to be perfectly legitimate as a means of educating and keeping the Republican tradition amongst the Irish diaspora alive. I think sport and politics are inextricably linked and interdependent. I don't wish to alienate anyone within our support but I readily accept the premise of the GB's statement to be flawed. eamon and frankee's songs are offensive to each other and as far as I am aware, the breakdown of their relationship did not happen as a result of a theological falling out.
Reb, although we come from two entirely different perspectives we can see what nonsense the GB are spouting, unfortunately we seem to be in the company of people who have a deeper understanding on the troubles than we mere mortals. All I have said all along, is while I don't necessarily think people should be banned from singing about the IRA under law, singing about it at Parkhead (or other grounds) can do us only harm. That's why i'm against it, not for my own ideology or beliefs, just simply because it affects MY club's reputation.
I accept that and I think you have made your case very well. I also accept that what I sing reflects (good or bad) on you. I think it is pointless us having a row about it as we are pretty much set in our positions but I don't think others should misrepresent what you have said either. The GB are a great thing for us to have, but they don't and shouldn't represent either of us.
Agreed, but I should have made that clear in my last post. I don't think we are arguing anyway, I think we are saying basically the same thing
Dev you have no intention of answering my question. You try to string me up on the same cord that you are strung up on. You reckon you speak for the vast majority of Celtic fans, you don't know that, nor do I know that I do either. What I do know is almost every Celtic fan I come across recognise, maybe without agreeing all the lyrics and all the songs, that Celtic Park is a lot better, a lot noisier and a lot more fun with the Green Brigade. It all comes down to what has been previously argued, agree the songs and lyrics between the Celtic Board and the Green Brigade. There is no other way for Celtic minded people to resolve the singing dispute,
superhoops its bad enough the huns rip you anew one but even celtic fans like myself and dev cany stand you being on our board
