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The RDBD said:
The last point would also apply to my local MEP (regardless of their voting count or the actual good they do) .

Which in itself should set alarm bells ringing.
We barely know the voting actions of our MPs but for the legislation that is significantly reported
(military action) . The EU would therefore be generating orders of magnitude more meh from us
for things that could be orders of magnitude more important.
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You can check your MP's voting record online now.
Here's one example: https://www.theyworkforyou.com/mp/24778/priti_patel/witham
Just to confirm that Priti Patel is indeed a ****bag, she accepted two tickets to The Emirates to watch the filth against Palace.

The same applies to MEPs, too. Here's Ol' Nige's record:
http://www.votewatch.eu/en/term8-nigel-farage-2.html
Didn't vote was rather popular, wasn't it?
 
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PleaseNotPoll said:
You can check your MP's voting record online now.
Here's one example: https://www.theyworkforyou.com/mp/24778/priti_patel/witham
Just to confirm that Priti Patel is indeed a ****bag, she accepted two tickets to The Emirates to watch the filth against Palace.

The same applies to MEPs, too. Here's Ol' Nige's record:
http://www.votewatch.eu/en/term8-nigel-farage-2.html
Didn't vote was rather popular, wasn't it?
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Priti Patel is an airhead so she should fit in quite well at the Wanderers place.
 
So let's see if we've got this straight...

The Tories violate their own rules about picking a new party leader, meaning that Theresa May becomes Prime Minister despite not being voted in as leader by the electorate or even her own party.

On the other side of the Commons, the Blairite wing of the Labour party said that a incumbant party leader should not have an automatic spot on the ballot to be party leader, which doesn't so much fly in the face of their party rules as aim a yell "Tora Tora Tora!!!" while aiming a Mitsubushi Zero between the eyes of their party rules - only for the party's National Executive Committee to rule that Corbyn can automatically stand, albeit with the caveat that nobody who joined the Labour party after January 12th has to pay an extra £25 on top of their membership in order to vote...almost as if they're trying to spare Angela Eagle the humiliation of not even managing to get 1% of the vote.
 
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humanbeingincroydon said:
So let's see if we've got this straight...

The Tories violate their own rules about picking a new party leader, meaning that Theresa May becomes Prime Minister despite not being voted in as leader by the electorate or even her own party.

On the other side of the Commons, the Blairite wing of the Labour party said that a incumbant party leader should not have an automatic spot on the ballot to be party leader, which doesn't so much fly in the face of their party rules as aim a yell "Tora Tora Tora!!!" while aiming a Mitsubushi Zero between the eyes of their party rules - only for the party's National Executive Committee to rule that Corbyn can automatically stand, albeit with the caveat that nobody who joined the Labour party after January 12th has to pay an extra £25 on top of their membership in order to vote...almost as if they're trying to spare Angela Eagle the humiliation of not even managing to get 1% of the vote.
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It's called democracy apparently

Which sounds similar to hypocrisy

And atrocity
 
The Labour Party will split, I'm convinced if it now.

Corbyn will win the election and the PLP will split and form their own party.

Personally, as much as Corbyn may be honest, he's totally unelectable, IMO.

I'm also left wondering how much of his dogmatic behaviour is down to beliefs, and how much is pure delusion and/or narcissism.
 
NowsufferinginSpain said:
The Labour Party will split, I'm convinced if it now.

Corbyn will win the election and the PLP will split and form their own party.

Personally, as much as Corbyn may be honest, he's totally unelectable, IMO.

I'm also left wondering how much of his dogmatic behaviour is down to beliefs, and how much is pure delusion and/or narcissism.
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The point is that if the only way the Labour party can be elected is to be a smiley Tory party then there is little point to them. There is no evidence that Corbyn is not electable just opinions and those mostly emanate from a hostile media. What the Blairite wing of the Labour Party need to understand is that it is they who are unelectable. The people who voted leave were not all racist, many were protesting against a system that has locked them out for over 30 years. The neo liberal experiment that has worked so well for the wealthy is beginning to be challenged all over the world and in particular in Europe. In Scotland the Labour party is finished and this is from a position of total dominance for 50 years. There is no equivalent to the SNP in England for people to vote for so 4 million voted for UKIP. There is a big hole in English politics for a left of centre anti neo liberal party. It will be filled, the question is will it be the Labour Party, if it's not they could be history.
 
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Spurf said:
The point is that if the only way the Labour party can be elected is to be a smiley Tory party then there is little point to them. There is no evidence that Corbyn is not electable just opinions and those mostly emanate from a hostile media. What the Blairite wing of the Labour Party need to understand is that it is they who are unelectable. The people who voted leave were not all racist, many were protesting against a system that has locked them out for over 30 years. The neo liberal experiment that has worked so well for the wealthy is beginning to be challenged all over the world and in particular in Europe. In Scotland the Labour party is finished and this is from a position of total dominance for 50 years. There is no equivalent to the SNP in England for people to vote for so 4 million voted for UKIP. There is a big hole in English politics for a left of centre anti neo liberal party. It will be filled, the question is will it be the Labour Party, if it's not they could be history.
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Centre left, I agree. But neither I, nor I doubt the average British voter would classify Corbyn as centre left.

To my mind, to win a GE in the UK you need the so called 'swing voters' those who voted Labour in 97 and after, and then voted Cons in 2010 Corbyn would scare most of them to death!

I honestly believe that if Labour go into a GE with him as prospective PM, they will not only lose, but lose very heavily.

To make it worse, a big winner from that scenario could well be UKIP!
 
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Blair was a closet Tory - and the only Labour PM (aside from Brown's accession on the back of Blair) in 37 years

Labour are unelectable unless they pretend to be the Tories
 
littleDinosaurLuke said:
Blair was a closet Tory - and the only Labour PM (aside from Brown's accession on the back of Blair) in 37 years

Labour are unelectable unless they pretend to be the Tories
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I'm not sure that's entirely true, Luke. My feeling is that a centre left party along the lines of what the Lib Dems should have been, would garner a lot of support.
 
NowsufferinginSpain said:
I'm not sure that's entirely true, Luke. My feeling is that a centre left party along the lines of what the Lib Dems should have been, would garner a lot of support.
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Labour have to be able to win the marginal seats in the more liberal Tory areas - like the Ribble Valley in Lancashire or Telford, for example - but, at present, they'd be lucky to get 10% of the vote.
 
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Since 1979 the UK has had only very right wing or only slightly less right wing governments. Even those who propose slightly left of centre policies are demonised as loony lefties or communists or Trotskyites, mostly by people who wouldn't recognise a Trotsky policy if it introduced itself . This due in the most part for people falling for the garbage put out by the mostly right wing printed media. We have to have an acceptance that there are alternatives to the Tories and like Spain, Portugal and Greece where the citizens are now questioning the continued right to rule of the right wing parties, this is beginning to happen here because, when Corbyn became a possible winner of the Labour Party leadership election thousands of people joined the Party to ensure his election
Nobody that is under the age of 40 has known anything other than right wing policies and now they see possibilities for change. My children and many others are in debt because they wanted education. They are looking for change and many see Corbyn as the man that can bring about that change. He may not be the leader who benefits from that change but if we turn back to the right our children will never forgive us
 
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paultheplug said:
Since 1979 the UK has had only very right wing or only slightly less right wing governments. Even those who propose slightly left of centre policies are demonised as loony lefties or communists or Trotskyites, mostly by people who wouldn't recognise a Trotsky policy if it introduced itself . This due in the most part for people falling for the garbage put out by the mostly right wing printed media. We have to have an acceptance that there are alternatives to the Tories and like Spain, Portugal and Greece where the citizens are now questioning the continued right to rule of the right wing parties, this is beginning to happen here because, when Corbyn became a possible winner of the Labour Party leadership election thousands of people joined the Party to ensure his election
Nobody that is under the age of 40 has known anything other than right wing policies and now they see possibilities for change. My children and many others are in debt because they wanted education. They are looking for change and many see Corbyn as the man that can bring about that change. He may not be the leader who benefits from that change but if we turn back to the right our children will never forgive us
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There's a good reason we've not seen a left wing Govt for nearly half a Century mate, as there's been no appetite for the kind of left wing Union lead bollocks that we last saw in the 70's.
 
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Tobes said:
There's a good reason we've not seen a left wing Govt for nearly half a Century mate, as there's been no appetite for the kind of left wing Union lead bollocks that we last saw in the 70's.
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Very true, Tobes. And we'd soon see a lot more of it with Corbyn in power and Mccluskey at the helm of Unite.
 
Tobes said:
There's a good reason we've not seen a left wing Govt for nearly half a Century mate, as there's been no appetite for the kind of left wing Union lead bollocks that we last saw in the 70's.
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That's very true but that is changing as paultheplug and I are pointing out. Whether it's bollocks or not depends on your perspective and that perspective is changing as the full effect of a return to 18th century employment laws kicks in. It's clear to many now why they need strong unions to combat employers like Amazon and Sports Direct.
However the new PM is talking about worker directors as seen in Germany plus constraints on director salaries. That would really pull the rug from the left if she brings in such radical reforms. That's a policy long described as loony left by the right wing media and this is from Theresa May!!!
 
humanbeingincroydon said:
So let's see if we've got this straight...

The Tories violate their own rules about picking a new party leader, meaning that Theresa May becomes Prime Minister despite not being voted in as leader by the electorate or even her own party.
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It should be May vs Gove (by default) .
At least go thru the motions (unless many fear that left to the voting membership, Gove will become
their version of Corbyn) .
 
IMHO a much more left-leaning Labour leader could sell the premise to the electorate,
if they themselves were not a relic from the 1980s + mass backed by the trade unions.
Think in terms of if Labour had a David Owen type in their ranks now.
 
humanbeingincroydon said:
I doubt it - people actually like Corbyn.
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I suspect that is why things have come to be.

If the ground sounding is that Gove will get even more humiliation in the member vote than
he did in the MP vote, perhaps Tory HQ has just decided to save time and money rather
than go thru the motions.
 
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