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Angela Eagle's got off to a good start: after two weeks of dithering about whether she's stand or not, when asked a perfectly reasonable question about her voting record (which includes voting for the Iraq War, voting to prevent an inquiry into the Iraq war, supporting the ballooning of tuition fees and not bothering to turn up for a vote on the welfare bill) her response was as follows: You sound like you are reading one of the rather nasty little memes going round on Twitter

I get the feeling we won't be hearing Murdoch, Dacre et al parroting how she's "unelectable" for the next nine months - even though the Labour party themselves agree, as she finished fourth in the vote to become Deputy Leader last year.
 
NowsufferinginSpain said:
Worse still, mate, it's 24 years! Yes, he's been riding the gravy train whilst trying to derail it!...
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Bloody hell. <doh> He's been doing it for so long that he's rotted my brain and I can't add up any more.
He's also claimed bodyguards on his expenses, so they were probably related to him, too.
 
PleaseNotPoll said:
So he's been picking up a salary for doing nothing for 14 years, while complaining about a gravy train?
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So even more irony then.

He has been able to get on with his main aim for years, paid for BY the EU,
while also being walking proof that the EU is an easy gravy train if by definition
he can take the money without being of any consequence whatsoever to the EU bean-counters.

You do wonder what more the EU could have done to do Farages' work for him. :)
 
The RDBD said:
So even more irony then.

He has been able to get on with his main aim for years, paid for BY the EU,
while also being walking proof that the EU is an easy gravy train if by definition
he can take the money without being of any consequence whatsoever to the EU bean-counters.

You do wonder what more the EU could have done to do Farages' work for him. :)
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It's not down the EU to hold him accountable, though. It's down to the electorate over here.
If they had have done anything to him, then he'd have called it an affront to our sovereignty or something.
Due to our wonderful media, he was seen as sticking it to Frenchie and Ze Germans, though.
This is despite doing absolutely **** all, bar the odd drunken rant at a Belgian.
 
So now it looks like the Tories are going to break their own party rules.

Their rules state that, in order to choose a new party leader, there must be two candidates and the party members will vote for which one of the two shall be the party leader. Yet what we're hearing from Cameron is that, with Andrea Leadsom dropping out of the race, Theresa May's going to be waltzing into Number 10 on Wednesday despite not being elected by her own party, let alone the electorate.

Funny how we're not hearing any Little Englanders grousing about how this is undemocratic, considering they were happy to throw that word around to describe the EU.
 
It doesn't matter who you think you're voting for, Rupert Murdoch is the person you're really voting for.
 
humanbeingincroydon said:
So now it looks like the Tories are going to break their own party rules.

Their rules state that, in order to choose a new party leader, there must be two candidates and the party members will vote for which one of the two shall be the party leader. Yet what we're hearing from Cameron is that, with Andrea Leadsom dropping out of the race, Theresa May's going to be waltzing into Number 10 on Wednesday despite not being elected by her own party, let alone the electorate.
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It means Gove gets another chance, surely.
If only to see whether his humiliation in a 2 horse race betters when it was 3 horses. :)
 
The RDBD said:
It means Gove gets another chance, surely.
If only to see whether his humiliation in a 2 horse race betters when it was 3 horses. :)
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No, Cameron's confirmed it's going to happen on Wednesday: http://www.theguardian.com/politics...adsom-apologises-to-theresa-may-politics-live

Given we had three years of "unelected" jibes aimed at Gordon Brown from the Tories and their mates in the gutter press, will we have four years of those same jibes aimed at Theresa May? Of course not.
 
The RDBD said:
How do you measure the performance of any MEP, UK or other ??
And I don't mean turning up to vote on things.
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Why don't you mean turning up and voting on things? That's a big part of their job, isn't it?
He barely attended and rarely voted. The only person who voted less was paralyzed and couldn't attend. Seriously.
 
The RDBD said:
He really does not give an eff anymore does he, if he cannot even be arsed
to insist Gove undergoes one more ritual humiliation in the name of "democracy" . :)
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Theresa May wouldn't be the first leader who was neither elected by their party or the electorate - for example, there's this bloke...

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...although he had a slightly better record on human rights than Theresa May does.
 
PleaseNotPoll said:
Why don't you mean turning up and voting on things? That's a big part of their job, isn't it?
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Lot's of Blair drones did that during his time (or abstained - Farage abstained on everything then :) ) .
Does that mean they were good MPs ??

Good constituency MPs are more often measured on what they do at the grass-roots for
their constituents.
 
We could look at Farage's record whilst a member of the EU fisheries commission. You remember, those people he took to the Thames with recently, who he professes to care so much about.

Well, some of you won't be surprised to hear that in three years on the commission he turned up for one meeting, and didn't attend one single vote.
 
humanbeingincroydon said:
Theresa May wouldn't be the first leader who was neither elected by their party or the electorate - for example, there's this bloke...
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I doubt he got in because the departing leader(s) could not be arsed whether he had
an opposition candidate or not. :)


"although he had a slightly better record on human rights than Theresa May does."

She may counter that she has much better shoes.
 
The RDBD said:
Lot's of Blair drones did that during his time (or abstained - Farage abstained on everything then :) ) .
Does that mean they were good MPs ??

Good constituency MPs are more often measured on what they do at the grass-roots for
their constituents.
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And what has Farage done at grass-roots for his constituents in South East England?

How do you assess his performance?
 
PleaseNotPoll said:
And what has Farage done at grass-roots for his constituents in South East England?

How do you assess his performance?
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I asked first, mate (so answer your own questions) . :)
Farage effectively played the entire MEP series of "The new statesman" for real.
Chapeau to the EU eh that you can actually do it.
 
The RDBD said:
I asked first, mate (so answer your own questions) . :)
Farage effectively played the entire MEP series of "The new statesman" for real.
Chapeau to the EU eh that you can actually do it.
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I've already said how I assess him. He didn't attend and didn't vote. That's his job.
He talked about things that were important to voters and that he could've voted on, but he didn't do it.
I've also heard absolutely nothing about what he's done over here, apart from promoting UKIP and himself.
 
PleaseNotPoll said:
I've already said how I assess him. He didn't attend and didn't vote. That's his job.
He talked about things that were important to voters and that he could've voted on, but he didn't do it.
I've also heard absolutely nothing about what he's done over here, apart from promoting UKIP and himself.
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The last point would also apply to my local MEP (regardless of their voting count or the actual good they do) .

Which in itself should set alarm bells ringing.
We barely know the voting actions of our MPs but for the legislation that is significantly reported
(military action) . The EU would therefore be generating orders of magnitude more meh from us
for things that could be orders of magnitude more important.
 
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