Off Topic EU deabte. Which way are you voting ?

Some things are too much even for anger management classes to control

 

I disagree to some extent with this comment. As said in one of my early posts, cheaper labour does not always equate to the final cost. In my opinion, businesses are not always passing on savings, as you have mentioned above. They are however, enjoying the extra profits associated with cheaper labour.

 

I'm sure it does in some cases but you see plenty of examples where it doesn't seem to be the case.

 

It's about making the conditions right. It's all very well saying 'Lazy ****ers should go and get a job' but in reality, you need to have good training in place, staggered benefits/housing benefit, proper wages, help to buy uniforms etc. Some of this already happens. As I said I think the living wage will go a long way to help. Before that it simply didn't make sense for people to give up their benefits as they would be worse off, lose housing benefit and probably make themselves homeless.

 

True, but you can guarantee that if UK businesses were forced to pay their workers more, then food costs would rise.

 

Why would it be designed to ridicule? I just want a different perspective from a eurosceptic, thinking (as I said once before to you) I might get reasonably from you. I appreciate what you've said though. I didn't think about the actual deal itself. What's the chance of us getting a fairer deal for our goods and services than what we had before? I'm trying to get my head around the terms Leadsom (I hope) will negotiate on.. or approach it at the very least. What will we get, what are the options, what will be give up. I really don't even know if the common market is all that important.

 

Since when did Republican senators become credible at all.

 

It's impossible to list on a forum. Every interaction between the UK and EU will be considered. They are not going to negotiate a few things and then make the rest up as they go along after the deal is agreed.

 

Not sure about the cost of food manufacturing, as its not an area of expertise for me. However, I can speak with a little more conviction when it comes to the construction industry, and I can categorically state that the lower labour costs are not benefiting construction projects. As said, there's a lot of businessman getting very wealthy off the back of cheaper labour.

 

They are elected people, other than that, they are like all politicians .

 

Our food prices are higher than they need to be, because of EU tariffs on some countries we buy from.

 

Apologies if it was not, but it's bloody hard to know on this thread.

 

Where have I said that, Pete? Please show me?....

 

If she had a moral compass, she wouldn't be a lawyer in the USA! They're actually considered to be one of the lowest forms of life over there by the populace.

 

Ridiculous statement!....

 

Those in the lower picture were the younger generation then, sent to war because of the failings of the older generation.

 

Sorry, I think I'm getting mixed up with that priest guy!

 

My gut feeling around any upcoming trade negotiations, is that Germany and France will make them as difficult for us as possible. They need to protect the EU at any cost, as they have the most to lose, if the whole thing implodes (as I really hope it does!!).
I cannot talk about trade deals with any conviction, as I don't know enough about how it works. If you can get passed some of the bullshit and posturing on this thread, there are some interesting comments.
I think that whoever does the deal, on the UK's behalf, will need to have balls of steel. We've never been that well liked when in the club, what chance will we have outside of the club!!

 

That's a first; never been tagged before, WTF!

I don't know if I know enough or not, as I have always said I have a reasonably well informed Layman's view on things, certainly not an experts.

I voted for the Common Market which was a different beast from the EU - I gave it over 4 decades and have voted for something other; I don't believe we should be looking to go backwards, as the future must be reshaped on the way of life now and it is much different, socially and technologically.

I have always said (and the French Foreign Minister later echoed me ) that everything will be on the table when negotiations start. There will be strong words and there will be threats, veiled or otherwise, but people will talk with us and deals will be made. I believe these deals will be a model for the future for everyone. I also believe that the deals will be a drawing together of the UK, Europe and the rest of the world in new and more enlightened terms.

I think there will be joy and disappointment on all sides, some will claim victories, some will be pragmatic and work for cooperation, constructive relationships and a future plan that serves the common good. Perhaps that is what we should seek to begin and join, The Common Good, rather than a tired and jaded The Common Market.

Remember, it is just a bloody opinion!

 

We also have to remember that the EU has most to lose if a trade deal isn't concluded as they sell more to the UK than the UK sells to the EU.