Off Topic EU deabte. Which way are you voting ?

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How will you vote in the EU referendum ?


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Who do you post these ridiculous lies for? Is it just for yourself or do you just do it to make yourself look stupid? Because, as far as I can see, nobody with a braincell would pay them the slightest attention - except (like I am now) to get embarrassed on your behalf.
 
As you foresaw, I disagree :emoticon-0105-wink:

I find it weird that a leader who has shown massive support from the public, who have come in their hundreds of thousands to pay £3 to become affiliate members to support him, he's united the majority of Labour Members to back him (he would have won the leadership contest without the £3 vote - so the 'he only won because of Tories and far-lefts paying £3' is balls).

People are sick with the blatantly false austerity argument, it has failed - or at least failed the majority - and across the world there is a huge, and growing, anti-austerity feeling. See the popularity of candidates across Europe and the US in particular who operate from a anti-austerity platform, offering to give the public more say in politics and it is hugely popular.

Corbyn is anti-austerity and his renationalisation policies are polled to appeal to UKIP supporters. Party membership is growing inspite of the smear campaign against him - indeed over 60,000 people have joined the Labour party recently. More people voted for Corbyn than are members of both the Lib Dems and Conservative parties combined!

To replace him with another Tory-lite, austerity-lite figure at a time when people are calling out for 1) a true alternative and an anti-establishment figure (see popularity of Bernie Sanders, Corbyn, Trump, Farage, Podemos, Greens in Austria and others) are 2) calling out for an end to Austerity an end to punishing the poor to reward the bankers and millionaires 3) (particularly in the Labour party) want more say in how politics is carried out in their name - Corbyn has promised to enable the CLP to 'de-select' MPs if they aren't working on their constituents behalf.

To go from this to another figure similar to Brown, Milliband, Yvette Cooper, Burnham, Kendall ect - careerist, self-serving politicians who will stand on a Tory-lite platform to appeal to the 25% of the electorate who voted Tory will ignore the huge swarths of the country looking for something different, it'll further alienate the 35% who didn't vote and increase the defection and shrinking of the Labour party we've seen between 1997 and 2015 when Corbyn came in and dramatically reversed the trend. You'll end up with masses of people voting Green, SNP, Plaid, even perhaps Lib Dem (on a pro-EU ticket) as they will over a difference from the interchangeable Blue-Labour/Tory narrative and with an even worse performance than Milliband experienced.

It seems ridiculous to assume that the only way to win an election is to not offer an actual opposition, but to mirror the other parties policies and to appeal to the same voters that vote for your opposition - instead of appealing to the 40 constituencies in Scotland, the people who previously voted Lib Dem in 2010, the people who voted UKIP for independence and may feel they don't need to vote UKIP anymore. Rather than take the Milliband and Harriet Harman approach of either supporting Tory policy or abstaining from it. And never fighting the ridiculous assertion that the global recession was caused by Labour or that austerity would make the country more prosperous!

One last thought before I end this essay/rant (apologies). It is definitely not Corbyn who is splitting this party - he has been voting in by the overwhelming majority of members, he has the support of the overwhelming majority of members, he has the support of the overwhelming majority of CLPs across the country. It is the Blairitie MPs who, since day one have attacked him rather than the Tory party, resigned at key times, staged coup after coup, tried to split the party, and are now trying to tear the party to pieces against the party members wishes, despite Corbyn offering them key positions in the cabinet.

Do you think that anti-austerity and/or re-nationalisation could be the next big debate? Maybe the next thing after the EU to becoming the big talking point?
 
Do you think that anti-austerity and/or re-nationalisation could be the next big debate? Maybe the next thing after the EU to becoming the big talking point?

I doubt it - it's already the big issue; along with immigration and Europe; with many people, but the press are never going to give it the same amount of airtime - particularly the Murdoch press (remember readership of rightwing press is between 12-14m plus the Metro, left wing is 2-3m) and when they do they'd say it's some 'socialist/far-left unrealistically dangerous scheme' - similar to what they did to Corbyn/McDonald's costed policies on renationalisation of the railways.

But I do think that if Labour remove Corbyn and don't appeal to the anti-austerity feeling in the country then they will lose hundreds of thousands or millions of votes and the Greens/SNP/Plaid ect will clean up as they all have anti-austerity policies, but just as many will stop voting altogether.
 
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I doubt it - it's already the big issue; along with immigration and Europe; with many people, but the press are never going to give it the same amount of airtime - particularly the Murdoch press (remember readership of rightwing press is between 12-14m plus the Metro, left wing is 2-3m) and when they do they'd say it's some 'socialist/far-left unrealistically dangerous scheme' - similar to what they did to Corbyn/McDonald's costed policies on renationalisation of the railways.

But I do think that if Labour remove Corbyn and don't appeal to the anti-austerity feeling in the country then they will lose hundreds of thousands or millions of votes and the Greens/SNP/Plaid ect will clean up as they all have anti-austerity policies, but just as many will stop voting altogether.

Don't forget that the political window/Overton window has moved so far to the right that far-right parties like UKIP are now seen as acceptable, so I can't see there being a huge clamour in the press to renationalise everything at a time when there's been little protest from the public about the stealth privatisation of the NHS.
 
Who do you post these ridiculous lies for? Is it just for yourself or do you just do it to make yourself look stupid? Because, as far as I can see, nobody with a braincell would pay them the slightest attention - except (like I am now) to get embarrassed on your behalf.
Nothing wrong in having a sense of humour amongst the gloom,you should try it some time<laugh>
 
Who do you post these ridiculous lies for? Is it just for yourself or do you just do it to make yourself look stupid? Because, as far as I can see, nobody with a braincell would pay them the slightest attention - except (like I am now) to get embarrassed on your behalf.

You really are a sad little boy, I bet you are in London crying for another referendum, but sorry I have bad news for you we are leaving.

Get over it we are out, move on.
 
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Nothing wrong in having a sense of humour amongst the gloom,you should try it some time<laugh>

Ahh sorry I must have missed the funny parts of his posts - they just came across as stupid drivel to me. I usually prefer some Bill Hicks
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but I did find this rather silly game which was amusing me last night - http://trumpdonald.org/
 
Who do you post these ridiculous lies for? Is it just for yourself or do you just do it to make yourself look stupid? Because, as far as I can see, nobody with a braincell would pay them the slightest attention - except (like I am now) to get embarrassed on your behalf.

He does it for a reaction mate <laugh> you're best just to ignore it.
 
To be elected in a GE you must have far broader support than Corbyn does.

As I said earlier, there's a reason that so many old core Labour voters have run into the welcoming arms of Farage. They feel that Corbyn and his politically correct friends do not represent, or even take seriously their views and concerns.

Corbyn has his principles, and he's sticking to them. Fair enough. But I'm convinced that Labour will never win a GE while he remains their leader. His support base amongst the entire electorate is far too narrow.

I don't know who you are aiming your post at, but I don't think anyone disagrees that Corbyn's won't win a GE; that's not disputed, I don't think.
 
The majority of Labour MPs think the voters are more important than the Labour Party members.
All of the contestants in the Conservative Party leadership election think the deficit should be reduced but they have differing views about the speed. Regarding the Labour Party: does anti-austerity mean increasing the deficit or does it mean reducing the deficit more slowly?
 
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The majority of Labour MPs think the voters are more important than the Labour Party members.
All of the contestants in the Conservative Party leadership election think the deficit should be reduced but they have differing views about the speed. Regarding the Labour Party: does anti-austerity mean increasing the deficit or does it mean reducing the deficit more slowly?

To be fair the MPs are more important, they know whats a winning formula (sort of) and being too far left will always result in a loss
 
I don't know who you are aiming your post at, but I don't think anyone disagrees that Corbyn's won't win a GE; that's not disputed, I don't think.

There are a quite a few, actually. Smirnoff disagrees, as you can see. As does Paul...

It's not aimed at anybody in particular. It's my personal viewpoint, with which some disagree.
 
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To be fair the MPs are more important, they know whats a winning formula (sort of) and being too far left will always result in a loss
Yes, being too far left wing will result in a loss with the electorate but will be a win with the members. Some MPs are facing deselection if they dont support Corbyn. The day of reckoning is coming.
 
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