You'll find Gove is a very good politician and "gets things done." Thatcherite in approach but with a bit of Blairism thrown in. He will be a good PM but it then depends what fills the vacuum he leaves behind.
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You'll find Gove is a very good politician and "gets things done." Thatcherite in approach but with a bit of Blairism thrown in. He will be a good PM but it then depends what fills the vacuum he leaves behind.
It just beggars belief why the British have to put up with such talentless, witless and gormless politicians. You don't put a talentless goon to run the BoE, but that is what is going to happen when the Tories choose their next leader. Where is David Mellor when he is needed? Seriously, it has got to the stage where the best possible option is to be found in another country. I would go all out to get Angela Merkel (she would suit the Tories because she is a Conservative) to be honest but sadly it won't happen because our parties are totally inept and narrow-minded in their philosophy!! But we don't question it!!
No. We will. It is just a matter of time. I said a few days ago that the Tories will be sorted out pretty quickly and that this was buying time to get the party and government sorted out and "on message."
She isn't conservative in the way we call conservative. She is more like a social democrat with conservative social beliefs. Nowhere near Corbyn but slightly left of Blair.
That's my Gut feeling as well . Just one more thing ImpSaint , heard on radio 4 today that the govt are calculating the brexit could take 5 years to negociate , surely that can't be right if some EU Countries refuse to an extension of the 2 year rule ?
Statements like that are made, like Gove's wife's "slip up" yesterday, to send a message. They are put out to force people's hand. They are saying that give us a good deal or things will get messy.
It means "The UK will pure and simple just leave on the 2 years if the EU seeks revenge. Be warned."
Scores on the doors for the Tory candidates. (Number of backers secured although some might change upon this mornings events)
Boris Johnson(34)
Theresa May (22)
Stephen Crabb (20)
Andrea Leadsom (None yet she only just announced)
Michael Gove (3 but again only just announced)
Liam Fox (3)
Nicky Morgan (3)
Jeremy Hunt (1)
Steve Brine (0)
John Baron (0)
The ones in red the only ones that realistically have a chance. Boris will struggle to make the top 2 now without Gove's backing. I did say there was resistance to him within the party and behind doors (as Gove's wife alluded to) the big media bosses don't like him either.
Boris Johnson(34)
Theresa May (22)
Stephen Crabb (20)
Andrea Leadsom (None yet she only just announced)
Michael Gove (3 but again only just announced)
Liam Fox (3)
Nicky Morgan (3)
Jeremy Hunt (1)
Steve Brine (0)
John Baron (0)
The ones in red the only ones that realistically have a chance. Boris will struggle to make the top 2 now without Gove's backing. I did say there was resistance to him within the party and behind doors (as Gove's wife alluded to) the big media bosses don't like him either.
Interesting the Gove has deserted Boris, but not surprising as we all know his limitations.
God help us if either becomes PM.
Through gritted teeth I would prefer May, though Gove may be Labour's best chance to win.
God help us if either becomes PM.
Through gritted teeth I would prefer May, though Gove may be Labour's best chance to win.
No doubt he is a very intelligent man, as is Boris, but neither are very statesman like although Gove has the edge.
The American system failed to stop Trump. The Democrats are where the Blairites are. Talking up welfare and social justice while filling the coffers of businesses creating revenue streams for corporates in healthcare and finance.
They had their Corbyn in Sanders. They had their Boris in Trump and Hilary is their Blairite style wolf in sheep's clothing. They went this route before we did with Bill Clinton (who was a success) and yet Sanders was the first to get anywhere near toppling this style of politics.
This style of politics that creams money from the people through the back door in terms of companies financing state projects at way over the market price and backdoor privatisation gives great headlines of "more hospitals, more this and more that" but it takes time to see what happened and why it wasn't all the good news it was advertised as.
If I could vote it would be May for me. Although she was remain she really could have gone either way and therefore I think she will take everyone's concerns into consideration and not just the leave campaigns. From memory I believe that 44m people are registered to vote and only 17m voted to leave so we need to remember that. Not saying we shouldn't now get on with it but just reminding people this wasn't an overwhelming decision.
Theresa May is the home secretary that brought through laws that effective restrict Freedom of Speech for some people while not restricting it for others. Hate Speech AGAINST minorities becoming a crime yet hate speech BY minorities allowed. There will be more of that sort of thing if she gets in. She has an agenda of Police cuts and a failure to get a handle on the immigration issue which has been a problem (for many) for a long time.
I really don't know. Not convinced anyone in Westminster really has the balls to do it. No one with a realistic chance of getting their hands on the levers of power anyway.
But I suppose someone will have to, eventually. Unless there is a general electiom first and Labour, having campaigned on a platform of staying in, somehow ends up sharing power with the Lib Dems. Don't think that's very likely to happen though.
This is the great thing about politics. You have your opinion and I have mine. In my opinion she's done well as Home Secretary. She's certainly lasted longer than a great many.