And unfortunately the Welsh too embarrassingly - as a majority in Wales seem to do anything the English tabloids says regardless of how it actually affects Wales!
Off Topic EU deabte. Which way are you voting ?
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And unfortunately the Welsh too embarrassingly - as a majority in Wales seem to do anything the English tabloids says regardless of how it actually affects Wales!
Apologies if this has been shared before but this is a comment on a Guardian blog that went viral. Sums up Boris' choices and Cameron out manoeuvring of his Brexit opposition. (Even though IMO Cameron has shown a total lack of leadership and has spinelessly left the country in a hole).
Anyway here's the comment -
http://www.theguardian.com/politics/live/2016/jun/25/brexit-live-emergency-meetings-eu-uk-leave-vote#comment-77205935
If Boris Johnson looked downbeat yesterday, that is because he realises that he has lost.
Perhaps many Brexiters do not realise it yet, but they have actually lost, and it is all down to one man: David Cameron.
With one fell swoop yesterday at 9:15 am, Cameron effectively annulled the referendum result, and simultaneously destroyed the political careers of Boris Johnson, Michael Gove and leading Brexiters who cost him so much anguish, not to mention his premiership.
How?
Throughout the campaign, Cameron had repeatedly said that a vote for leave would lead to triggering Article 50 straight away. Whether implicitly or explicitly, the image was clear: he would be giving that notice under Article 50 the morning after a vote to leave. Whether that was scaremongering or not is a bit moot now but, in the midst of the sentimental nautical references of his speech yesterday, he quietly abandoned that position and handed the responsibility over to his successor.
And as the day wore on, the enormity of that step started to sink in: the markets, Sterling, Scotland, the Irish border, the Gibraltar border, the frontier at Calais, the need to continue compliance with all EU regulations for a free market, re-issuing passports, Brits abroad, EU citizens in Britain, the mountain of legistlation to be torn up and rewritten ... the list grew and grew.
The referendum result is not binding. It is advisory. Parliament is not bound to commit itself in that same direction.
The Conservative party election that Cameron triggered will now have one question looming over it: will you, if elected as party leader, trigger the notice under Article 50?
Who will want to have the responsibility of all those ramifications and consequences on his/her head and shoulders?
Boris Johnson knew this yesterday, when he emerged subdued from his home and was even more subdued at the press conference. He has been out-maneouvered and check-mated.
If he runs for leadership of the party, and then fails to follow through on triggering Article 50, then he is finished. If he does not run and effectively abandons the field, then he is finished. If he runs, wins and pulls the UK out of the EU, then it will all be over - Scotland will break away, there will be upheaval in Ireland, a recession ... broken trade agreements. Then he is also finished. Boris Johnson knows all of this. When he acts like the dumb blond it is just that: an act.
The Brexit leaders now have a result that they cannot use. For them, leadership of the Tory party has become a poison chalice.
When Boris Johnson said there was no need to trigger Article 50 straight away, what he really meant to say was "never". When Michael Gove went on and on about "informal negotiations" ... why? why not the formal ones straight away? ... he also meant not triggering the formal departure. They both know what a formal demarche would mean: an irreversible step that neither of them is prepared to take.
All that remains is for someone to have the guts to stand up and say that Brexit is unachievable in reality without an enormous amount of pain and destruction, that cannot be borne. And David Cameron has put the onus of making that statement on the heads of the people who led the Brexit campaign.
Anyway here's the comment -
http://www.theguardian.com/politics/live/2016/jun/25/brexit-live-emergency-meetings-eu-uk-leave-vote#comment-77205935
If Boris Johnson looked downbeat yesterday, that is because he realises that he has lost.
Perhaps many Brexiters do not realise it yet, but they have actually lost, and it is all down to one man: David Cameron.
With one fell swoop yesterday at 9:15 am, Cameron effectively annulled the referendum result, and simultaneously destroyed the political careers of Boris Johnson, Michael Gove and leading Brexiters who cost him so much anguish, not to mention his premiership.
How?
Throughout the campaign, Cameron had repeatedly said that a vote for leave would lead to triggering Article 50 straight away. Whether implicitly or explicitly, the image was clear: he would be giving that notice under Article 50 the morning after a vote to leave. Whether that was scaremongering or not is a bit moot now but, in the midst of the sentimental nautical references of his speech yesterday, he quietly abandoned that position and handed the responsibility over to his successor.
And as the day wore on, the enormity of that step started to sink in: the markets, Sterling, Scotland, the Irish border, the Gibraltar border, the frontier at Calais, the need to continue compliance with all EU regulations for a free market, re-issuing passports, Brits abroad, EU citizens in Britain, the mountain of legistlation to be torn up and rewritten ... the list grew and grew.
The referendum result is not binding. It is advisory. Parliament is not bound to commit itself in that same direction.
The Conservative party election that Cameron triggered will now have one question looming over it: will you, if elected as party leader, trigger the notice under Article 50?
Who will want to have the responsibility of all those ramifications and consequences on his/her head and shoulders?
Boris Johnson knew this yesterday, when he emerged subdued from his home and was even more subdued at the press conference. He has been out-maneouvered and check-mated.
If he runs for leadership of the party, and then fails to follow through on triggering Article 50, then he is finished. If he does not run and effectively abandons the field, then he is finished. If he runs, wins and pulls the UK out of the EU, then it will all be over - Scotland will break away, there will be upheaval in Ireland, a recession ... broken trade agreements. Then he is also finished. Boris Johnson knows all of this. When he acts like the dumb blond it is just that: an act.
The Brexit leaders now have a result that they cannot use. For them, leadership of the Tory party has become a poison chalice.
When Boris Johnson said there was no need to trigger Article 50 straight away, what he really meant to say was "never". When Michael Gove went on and on about "informal negotiations" ... why? why not the formal ones straight away? ... he also meant not triggering the formal departure. They both know what a formal demarche would mean: an irreversible step that neither of them is prepared to take.
All that remains is for someone to have the guts to stand up and say that Brexit is unachievable in reality without an enormous amount of pain and destruction, that cannot be borne. And David Cameron has put the onus of making that statement on the heads of the people who led the Brexit campaign.
The braindeads, who thought that they'd get rid of all the immigrants and there'd be an extra £350mill pw for the NHS most likely read The Sun.
The Little Englanders who 'want their country back' etc, tend to read The Fail.
Both were, for their own purposes, telling their readers to vote leave.
The Little Englanders who 'want their country back' etc, tend to read The Fail.
Both were, for their own purposes, telling their readers to vote leave.
Yeh but we got our country back, right?
Seriously, that's a great commentary. Boris didn't even have the balls to attend the Commons yesterday.
The guardian paper is as much good as the morning star. full of ****.
It makes the Mail look good
It makes the Mail look good
Today's Page 3 girl is Chantelle, 19, from Kettering. Chantelle says "I'm voting out because we need to stop all these immigrants coming in". Chantelle lives with her partner Faisal, they have 3 children Anisa, 4, Farouk, 3 and little baby Sajid who is 6 months.
He's as weak a leader as Cameron isn't he? The 'dumb blonde' act is very clever but he uses it to avoid having to take a strong stand on anything. As if exiting the EU and losing everything that entails isn't scary enough, having a choice of Boris or Teresa 'lets destroy your Human Rights' May, or even to have both one after another for the next 4 years is doubly terrifying!
That's why if the Labour party sort their leadership issue out they could win the next election which was absolutely unthinkable one week ago.
Don't ask him for specifics or he'll produce another graphic with an irrelevant lie on it!
Johnson isn;t totally finished, he'll be put in the House of Lords and still have a say,
along with he rest of the unelected
along with he rest of the unelected
Too late for that now, instead of uniting and fighting the leaderless and divided Tories - which could have resulted in a push for another General Election (which would have been supported by the Lib Dems, the Greens and perhaps even UKIP and the SNP) some idiotic PLPs and Blairities decided it would be a good time to start a Civil War and make a power grab against the party members wishes!
****ing IDIOTS!
That I agree with you, but JC is not ever going to win an election, thats why Labour MPs want him out.
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