Extend the logic....Most macro economic policies are complex...running departments as big as the NHS, Foreign Office etc are complex. Fairly sure most of the electorate don't know the first thing about most of how what is provided to them is operated. Just as long as they get it. He does mean to be patronising and it depresses me...even after the ordinary person, using the wrong medium granted, has told the elites to stop patronising them...what do they do? Guardianistas call them little Englanders. Academics tell them they are not smart enough. The labour party tells them they are so stupid they not only voted for the Tories they voted Brexit. Only people not getting it are the elites..and until they do...this will happen time and time again. Anger...distrust...acting out. So to extend the logic...why give anyone that isn't deemed fit the vote at all..I mean voting Tory? Disqualification...Etc etc. Sounds very like the arguments before universal suffrage...the kind of thing the old Tories would say about the peasants...blacks... women...too immature..too child like...too emotional. I find it hilarious that it's coming from the supposed people who claim to represent and fight for the ordinary folk. We demand democracy! As long as the result goes our way!
Evidently 75% of under 25's voted Remain. I've given up on my fellow bigoted, self-****ing-centred Baby Boomer ****ers. Labour should concentrate primarily on them (the young) and see who else will come along, as opposed to chasing Wayne, Waynetta and Alf Garnett and hoping the young will come along too. **** them. Let Nigel have them.
So what's the difference between Liverpool and Wales? Both famous Working class areas...both having their industry ripped out by the Tories...both "left to die". Both have been saved by the EU. So that ****s that explanation... And Liverpool had a small turnout compared to the national ...so yeah, really committed to the issues eh? Spinning round and round in contradictions to explain what a lot just don't get.. It's not the working class areas that didn't get it...it's everyone else....and the warnings were there from the start...those warnings were laughed at and dismissed as nonsense... Seriously...they may be "stupid" but this result is as much a direct response of the arrogance of others as it is a lack 0of understanding of the facts...in fact it wasn't about the EU..and that was clear early on...but ignored. Labour crys now but they went to the door steps...heard what was happening and said nothing until it was too late... Time people just accepted they have ****ed up and ignored and dismissed a vast block of the nations people to everyone's detriment and start fixing it rather than sitting in ivory towers pontificating about how stupid some of the lowest paid..poorest accommodated people in the country are...want them to give educated decisions? Little more time educating them instead of calling them names and dismissing their concerns...
Asked this all day in response to that soundbite without getting an answer anywhere...find me the turnout % of that demographic...
Same for where I live. Tories left load's of pit villages without a pit. European and Regeneration monies help rebuild. We just got 70%+ in favour of leave!
Google announced that "What is the EU?" is the second top UK question on the EU since the #EURefResults were officially announced. That's scary!
No worries...it wasn't a snark at you...I've searched everywhere with nothing going that deep and I was like how do they have this and not that figure...I then found out that 75% stat came from an exit poll not actual voting statistics.... The figures will come out eventually...
http://www.newstatesman.com/politic...fferent-demographic-groups-vote-eu-referendum Admittedly this is based on a poll that give Remain a 4% lead... But with it being a secret ballot it's the closest we can get.
Er, yes it came from a #poll, as opposed to what? Official voting statistics are illegal #secretballot Were you also one of those googling "what is the EU?"
Yeah thought it was exit but that says pre vote poll. 1700 odd sample..surely they did some extrapolation of turnout? Traditionally that age group is the lowest turn out...next lowest 25-39 the next most likely to vote remain...which would explain the lower turnout in the Remain winning areas....and that's one of the things that's pissed me off today. Repeating myself but it was a numbers election....so the enlightened areas couldn't be arsed and even the so called intelligent people in the out dominant areas apparently didn't turn out in force...if the theory that Brexit voters were coming out strong explains the high turn out there... Just a match in turnout in remain areas (other than london which was quite high) with a 2% increase in Brexit areas of Remain voters and remain wins.. Apparently the intelligent, non racist enlightened voters didnt get the idea of simple addition...
Anyway, just found an old ELO's greatest hits CD in a cupboard when looking for something else. Think I'll play that tonight on my way into work to cheer me up.
Actually it depends on the voting system and voting method...but I'm sure you knew that...answered myself in follow up post as to how they could have one supposed stat and not the other... Get back to United Astro...your regurgitation of guardian soundbites shows your limitation in this convo.
Yes, I get the point and it's valid. I related the story of my daughter's group of friends at uni and in Stockton (and her old schoolfriends here). She and I were staggered at the apathy of some of them, and at least two uni students seemed unaware that numbers counted and 'Brexit will walk it here (Middlesbrough) anyway'. I did refer to this back in the thread over a week ago when I said Brexit would win and Remain were hoping for a youth vote that wouldn't get out of bed.
There were floods in London with road and public transport closures and a couple of moved polling stations and they said at the start of the BBC coverage last night that they thought it could be a 2-3% difference in voter turnout for London because of the weather. So numbers for London could potentially have been slightly higher than the already decent turnouts. It was a very close run thing, seems to have split the country right down the middle
I remember after the Scotland vote when Sisu was claiming it was fiddle to do with pencils and ballot boxes and Lord knows what. 'But it was a 10% difference you ****ing moron, not 1 or 2 per cent!'. As it happens, this is under 2%, BUT a difference of well over a million. 'Right down the middle' is not quite right. Close to the middle though. But had it been the other way around, I'd have said it was decisive.
Hahahaha!!! But it's true. I remember an old Peter cook film called the Rise and rise of Michael Rimmer. He basically becomes dictator for life because he holds so many referendums (? plural) that the thick electorate become confused and ask him to decide.
