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  1. MrRAWhite

    MrRAWhite Well-Known Member

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    I also think, just like the Scottish referendum, that if the remain camp does win then the losers will not accept the democratic will of the people and carry on their campaign..
     
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  2. E.T. Fairfax

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    Of course they will. So that in 20 years time when the country is in a worse state and when another referendum comes along they will be more than prepared.
     
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  3. Tel (they/them)

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    I think that's bound to happen, eventually, because the EU is a dying monster, so it's inevitable that other countries and possibly our country again, will take this to a vote.

    I've already said though, I'm not judging individuals on their vote and after the decision is in, I'll accept it and I have to move on, for my family and the sake of our future. There's never been any point in dwelling on what might have been.
     
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  4. Number 1 Jasper

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    What can't the BBC report?
    * The BBC stops short of actually encouraging people to vote.
    * While the polls are open, it is a criminal offence for anyone, not just broadcasters, to publish anything about the way in which people have voted in the referendum, where that is based on information given by voters after they have voted.
    * The BBC can't report anything emerging from exit polls (which, by definition, are asking people how they actually voted), although the broadcasters have not commissioned any exit polls for the referendum.
    * No opinion poll on any issue relating to the referendum can be published by broadcasters until after the polls have closed.
     
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  5. Number 1 Jasper

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    Neither side has said this but the referendum vote is not legally binding as Parliament actually has the final say. So if they want politicians can ignore it, though it might be political suicide.
     
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    If we stay in, I'm gunna riot. **** all this democracy and just getting on with it.

    Who's in?

    <whistle>
     
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  7. Blunham Mackem

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    That's been discussed many times on the radio.

    If the total vote is less than, say 70-75% and the split is around 48-49 / 51-52%, the government could turn around and say they don't have a mandate to leave but do have a mandate to go back to the EU and and push for further demands or threaten to leave.
     
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    They wouldn't get away with that. I would predict riots if that happened. I'd be inclined to join in as well.
     
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  9. Number 1 Jasper

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    It's the law . I agree it is unlikely to happen , but would Cameron Care ? he won't be standing again .
     
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    The country would go up, mate.

    They'd be unprecedented riots right throughout the country, that's how strongly I think, that people feel about this. Especially the outers who do seem to be more passionate about their cause.

    Like I've stated, if the government ****ed us over by doing that, I would join in the riots and I believe they would be justified.
     
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  11. Blunham Mackem

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    They would. There won't be, and I wouldn't.

    So I'm cynical, doubtful and apathetic to whatever I hear tomorrow.

    It'll just be like New Years Day 2000, when the world's computers didn't switch off, no one died and the world kept turning.

    Just another day.
     
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    I agree with that.

    I don't believe it would be like that if the government didn't stand by a 'leave' majority.
     
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  13. Number 1 Jasper

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    Yes , it may well happen . But if I join in the fight , I hope they don't hit me on the face ( Joke ) .
     
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  14. Brian Storm

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    In, but I want us to then prepare to leave(something that we should have been doing for years but haven't hence my remain vote.). It will be a while before Turkey can join, so lets use that time to put us in a stronger position to leave. Then **** off before the Turks come in.
     
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    We could just keep vetoing Turkey. If we leave, we leave - i'll not be happy about it but that's democracy. No point complaining.
     
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    I don't get the haste to leave mate. We've done **** all to prepare for it. in/out has been a black and white question I've hated. I want out but not out of hasty anger.

    I know the payments to it is a nightmare, but Europe has invested more into the northeast for infrastructure then this and the last Government have. Surely before leaving we need guarantee's of a significant funding rise to the North East? Leaving the EU will hit us harder than most parts of the uk. Just think as a region it's the wrong time for us. We need to make sure we're catered for first.
     
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  17. The Relic

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    The Tory Party would care - they will be standing again. If Cameron did that, he'd be expelled from that Party in one week. Mind you, I don't think he would try anyway. Fair does, we all have our opinions of the man (and all entitled) but he's the first PM since 1989 with the guts to go public with the Hillsborough material and he's given us an EU referendum the previous five PMs hadn't the guts for either. We do have to give him that, I think.
     
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  18. Tel (they/them)

    Tel (they/them) Sucky’s Bailiff

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    When you say we?

    When our gov't are put over a barrel, by Turkey, bearing in mind the strategic positioning of coalition forces throughout the middle east, for what seems an inevitable attack on Iran, do you for one second think a single EU nation, even Cyprus, would veto Turkey? Given their location and airspace, their opposition to Russia and their military capability... they'll walk into the EU when they're good and ready.
     
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  19. Number 1 Jasper

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    Here's a thought .

    I am reading on other 606 politics threads . talk of exit polls .

    That ( in this instance ) is illegal . If the vote is for OUT or IN , could the relevant LOSING party call for a fresh poll ?
     
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  20. Blunham Mackem

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    In normal elections voters are being asked which party they voted for. Broadcasting that is very unlikely to make people change the party they vote for if they haven't yet voted.

    This is an either / or vote. Announcing early polling data could influence peoples voting intentions who haven't yet voted.

    That's why its illegal to poll - influentiability.

    It was also that way in past referendums.
     
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