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MrRAWhite said:
The Brexit vote has almost entirely focused on playing on people's fears regarding immigration.
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That's the typical accusation made by a Remainer.

Watch any debate, no matter what subject is being discussed, be it the economy, the NHS, free trade... time after time after time, remainers bring it back to immigration to try and smear the leave voters as racists. It's happened since day one, every single one of them has accused leave voters as being represented by Nigel Farage.

It's pathetic mate, you know it is and it's wrong.
 
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I've already told that hairy fannied kraut twat Merkel where she can stick her ****ing Euro club.
Fat German slag.
Big kiss Angela. :emoticon-0109-kiss:
Now kiss my :emoticon-0172-mooni:emoticon-0172-mooni
 
The stock markets are being hawked by experts today, not even a slither of panic. Stock markets are proactive, not reactive, there's no chance in hell if this was going to cause a recession, people would be waiting to see what happens before moving assets around, it's fear and absolutely nothing else, I'll keep my eye on them, but I don't expect any panic.

That's all it is, it's pushing fear out into the public so that people panic and commit to a vote so they don't lose their jobs, it's criminal.

What will happen, and this is absolutely guaranteed is that there'll be another recession, in the Eurozone, because countries like Greece and Italy are hemorrhaging money, unemployment is ridiculously high in Greece and Spain and Germany, the super power of the EU have just agreed to take in 800,000 potentially unemployable people. Credit ratings go down and **** hits the fan. Then we have to dig deeper than ever to prop up a stale and decaying economy. That's actual fear, that's inevitable.

How good is a 500m strong market when nobody has any money to spend?
 
I'm voting out and then switching off the news and ignoring the papers for a few years. In 2020, In or Out, Tory or labour or any other, I shall wake up and still be skint. We shall still moan about taxes, the economy, foreign policy, collapsing NHS etc etc, the rich will be getting richer and the politicians will still be helping themselves to the expenses pot. I shall concentrate on enjoying and appreciating what I have. There will be some change though, SAFC will be top instead of bottom.
 
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Despicable_Tel said:
Sadiq the freak got shut the **** down by the brexit campaigners the other day, chatting **** about qualified workers entering via the EU. Their entire 'Project Fear' campaign has been motivated by the assumption that Brexiters are in favour of not letting in any immigrants... 'It's a racist vote'.

It was argued that the criteria for entry would be changed, so we could take qualified people in, from ANY country, not just the EU member states, and this would create a far more equal offering than we currently have, so the irony is, it's Remainers who are isolating us from a world of competent workers, just so we can facilitate the needs of people who have access to a free market and the most comprehensive support network on the planet for new businesses... funny that.

Currently, we can't control the flow from the EU, we can only turn away criminals, so how on earth do we plan to make sure our services survive?

The easy option is to let the NHS crumble under the pressure and blame the Tories... as long as we have somebody to blame, that's all that matters, **** trying to do anything about it now.
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I hear what you're saying Tel but the NHS argument is a terrible one. There's a reason why the nurses Unions, the doctors Union, the managers association of the NHS are all pushing Remain. The biggest issues in the NHS at the moment simple ARE due to an ageing population + austerity, leaving the EU will do nothing to hep it and Johnson, Gove and Farage have ALL advocated privatisation of all or part of the NHS in the past so if you think they're being honest about their reasoning you're being towed a line.
 
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Despicable_Tel said:
The stock markets are being hawked by experts today, not even a slither of panic. Stock markets are proactive, not reactive, there's no chance in hell if this was going to cause a recession, people would be waiting to see what happens before moving assets around, it's fear and absolutely nothing else, I'll keep my eye on them, but I don't expect any panic.

That's all it is, it's pushing fear out into the public so that people panic and commit to a vote so they don't lose their jobs, it's criminal.

What will happen, and this is absolutely guaranteed is that there'll be another recession, in the Eurozone, because countries like Greece and Italy are hemorrhaging money, unemployment is ridiculously high in Greece and Spain and Germany, the super power of the EU have just agreed to take in 800,000 potentially unemployable people. Credit ratings go down and **** hits the fan. Then we have to dig deeper than ever to prop up a stale and decaying economy. That's actual fear, that's inevitable.

How good is a 500m strong market when nobody has any money to spend?
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ps The fear is from all sides. Leave have been no better or worse than Remain on this - they've used it to plug in voids of information because they sadly think the average person is too thick to understand a genuine debate. Mass hypocrisy from all sides in that regard.
 
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Safc83 said:
I'm not sure where all the remain votes are coming from. The polls have shown that the vast majority of white British men are voting to leave. Just about everybody they stop on the street and ask, tells them they are voting to leave. Most people I speak to are voting to leave. Even every poll on this forum is for to leave!
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Not just me thinking that then.

I only know of maybe 2 or 3 who've said they're voting In. Almost everyone I know have said Out. I just don't get it. Who the hell are these polsters talking to?
 
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Blunham Mackem said:
Not just me thinking that then.

I only know of maybe 2 or 3 who've said they're voting In. Almost everyone I know have said Out. I just don't get it. Who the hell are these polsters talking to?
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Not surprising though is it? The votes are split geographically and socio-economically so most people will be voting the same way as most of their friends as you're likely to be geographically and socio-economically similar. Elsewhere there'll be a group of Remain people talking about how it's a fix as they don't know anyone voting to leave.
 
haslam said:
I hear what you're saying Tel but the NHS argument is a terrible one. There's a reason why the nurses Unions, the doctors Union, the managers association of the NHS are all pushing Remain. The biggest issues in the NHS at the moment simple ARE due to an ageing population + austerity, leaving the EU will do nothing to hep it and Johnson, Gove and Farage have ALL advocated privatisation of all or part of the NHS in the past so if you think they're being honest about their reasoning you're being towed a line.
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That's your opinion mate, but I believe these people are convinced that they are having their jobs and statuses protected by the EU and they fear that without the EU they will lose everything. The fundamental reason it is failing is because it has not got a budget to survive and I personally conceded a long time ago that the NHS is bound for extinction. If people still believe it can be saved with silly little talks with the EU and voting in Labour then more ****ing fool them, because it won't be. In the mean time, we continue to force pressure on top of something that is at tipping point, by stretching it's resources beyond what they were ever designed to cope with.

The NHS is full to the brim of pen pushers that are not needed, that's what has crippled that organisation. Researchers are needed for sure, admin needs doing for sure, but statisticians are being prioritised now. I was offered a contract writing data for the NHS on £45 an hour mate, self employed. How many nurses would that pay for? Who decided stats cost more than lives? It's ****ing pathetic. I'm not listening to politicians mate, I'm reading hard facts that tell everybody that we can't support UNCONTROLLED amounts of people with our public services. That's it.
 
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haslam said:
Not surprising though is it? The votes are split geographically and socio-economically so most people will be voting the same way as most of their friends as you're likely to be geographically and socio-economically similar. Elsewhere there'll be a group of Remain people talking about how it's a fix as they don't know anyone voting to leave.
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Well I'm surrounded by all those blokes in the pub with the loudest opinion voting the other way to me. They're a mix of self-made millionaires, labourers, self-employed businessmen and public sector.

So they go against any socio-economic stereo-typing bar one, the super-opinionated.

Every other person must be sitting there quietly over their g&t too scared to open their mouth.
 
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This is taken from a German newspaper..Who says the Germans haven't got a sense of humour..


Front page of Germany's Bild is spectacular.

"Dear Britain, if you stay in the EU...
We will acknowledge the Wembley goal.
We won't make any more jokes about Prince Charles' ears.
We won't wear sun cream on the beach in solidarity with your sunburn.
We will go without our goalkeeper at the next penalty shootout to make it more exciting.
We will introduce tea time, with buckets on the beaches of Majorca.
We will willingly provide the villain in every Bond film.
We'll start "ticking" like you and put our clocks back by an hour.
We'll put through an EU directive which forbids foam on our beer.
We'll reserve sun loungers around the pool for you with our towels.
Jogi Löw will guard your crown jewels.
We will come to your Queen's 100th birthday."
 
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Bit like the Scottish independance vote in that the silent majority won. I think the silent majority will win this time aswell which is to remain.
The outers are playing on peoples fears about immigration but the inners are doing the same about the economy.
I voted out but think remain will win the day.
 
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