Off Topic The Politics Thread

If it wasn't you I apologise.

You are an angry person aren't you?
We would reduce immigration by only letting in the people we want to let in.
If there is a delay to doing that we should ignore what the EU says and do it anyway. There will be many challenges if we leave. All worthwhile imo.
You don't agree with this.

So.....
How would you reduce immigration in the event of a vote to remain?
Or are you not bothered?

 

I have tried to find the source for this cut and pasted list. It comes from a blog called GrassrootsOut Supporter, by someone with the imaginative name of Bill Stickers, too shy to give us his real background, which is of course a font of Brexit propaganda, which seems very popular with BNP followers. None of the EU references are sourced, and when you take the time to dig a little deeper, as I did with Dyson and Texas Instruments (my time isn't that valuable, but I haven't got so much left to waste), there turns out to be zero EU connection. Dyson, for ****s sake, is pro Brexit, but like all businessmen he puts his shareholders and his company ahead of his workers.

The issue you are highlighting here is globalisation. We can have a referendum on that every day of the week until kingdom come and it won't make a blind bit of difference. The people you should be allied to if you really don't like this kind of stuff are the anarchist/ hard left protesters who turn up at all the G7-20 summits. Of course, the best chance of making a difference and protecting British jobs would be voting for Jeremy Corbyn, another anti- globalist.

 

A vote to remain is to support the continued hemorrhaging of UK based jobs to lower cost economies. My wife was made redundant last year as her job was off-shored to Poland by a major UK company despite a pledge by the CEO to Cameron just after he received his knighthood that his company had no plans to move any UK based jobs abroad. The smug sausage rolls now carrying out her role (who have no clue what they are doing BTW) are in for a bit of a shock next year when those jobs are moved to an even lower cost economy in Costa Rica. Still they can come over here and pick strawberries at an attractive minimum wage, access the NHS, have people falling over themselves to translate anything they don't understand to make sure they claim everything they are "entitled to" it is a ****ing joke and needs to stop NOW.

 

Nope, wasn't me! I get angry at the fact that I am potentially going to be seriously financially effected by other people's choices that are based on lies, misinformation and racism(not you specifically).

If only life was as simple as saying 'we'll just ignore what they say' but I'm afraid it's not, we would isolate ourselves from the international community and would be present ourselves as completely untrustworthy with anyone we want to do business with, it won't happen at all not a chance, there's a very real chance we could end up with a Norway style deal which would include large payments in and allowing free movement!

There's no simple solution to reducing immigration, it comes hand in hand with having a strong economy which like it or not we owe in part to eu membership. I would also argue that it is actually the non eu migration that puts the biggest strain on our services, eu migrants tend to be more likely to come alone, work and not claim benefits therefore paying in more then they take out whereas non eu ones are more likely to come with big families with the intent of settling and are happy to claim away. I think whether we stay or go the eu is on course for change anyway, largely due to the refugee/migrant crisis but also because of some larger countries unhappy with the policy, personally I would look to make a deal on reducing the rights to work etc and make it clear that if we didn't get our way we would start throwing our veto around to cause trouble, we just haven't yet had a government with the backbone to do that!

 

The UK don't have a say in whether Hinckley Point nuclear power station will be built. The decision will be made in France & it will depend upon half a dozen French union members who sit on EDF's board and if they say "non" that's that. What sort of country allows its ongoing energy needs to be decided by a few commie hillbillies. MADNESS
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Eu workers tend to claim very little in the way of benefits, the minority that take the piss aren't a reflection of them all, also fees of eu citizens treated on the nhs are generally charged back to their own countries health care system, again it's the ones from outside the eu that cost the money and this referendum won't make any difference to that. If you think a vote to stay is a vote to see jobs hemorrage to the eu then you're in for a bloody shock if we leave, the number of jobs going will go up massively as it'll be completely in the eu interest to move as many jobs as they can there from us to make up for the economic damage caused to them by us leaving, the grass won't be greener on the other side I'm afraid!

 

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This has nothing to do with the EU. The Tories sold off our electricity generation in the 90s, EDF is the nationalised French equivalent of the old CEGB.

Do you want our industry renationalised from the owners the Tories and the city sold them to?

That's a genuine question by the way

 

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That's just rubbish. The U.K. Government decided to build another nuclear power station, then decided to award the contract to a French part state owned company, and finance it with Chinese money, by guaranteeing a price for the electricity it generates above what the 'market' would provide. The EDF union representatives don't think their company can stay afloat with this commitment, they are trying to protect their own jobs. But because they are French I suppose you don't think they should be allowed to. Shame the British don't have unions able to do the shame, otherwise some of the non EU related job losses you list above may not have happened.

Admit it, you are a socialist.

 

Thanks for that and apologies again for the misidentification.
For me, the financial hit that we MAY take is acceptable.
A poll just released shows that those with money are much more inclined to vote remain whilst those not worrying about their next luxury holiday or which private school to send Harriet to are genuinely worried about how their country is changing for ever and how ttheir local services are being over run.

 

Their services are being overrun because their government won't fund them properly. In the event of a Leave vote, pretty much everyone - including the Leave campaign - accepts that there will be an economic downturn. The differences of opinion revolve around how deep the downturn might go and how long it might last. A post-Brexit Tory government will have to choose between tax rises or more austerity - which way do you think they will go? The less well-off people in the poll you quote are turkeys voting for Christmas.

 

Bit bitchy Col, my daughters name isn't Harriet. Her education is ****ing expensive though, I'm having to take 2 of my holidays in the UK this year While we are at it the better educated favour remain as well. If you want to level the playing field vote for Corbyn when you next get the chance, perhaps education and life chances will improve.

Primary health care services in some areas and schools in some areas need help. They will still need help if we stop immigration tomorrow, the pressure is already in the system. The money is there, EU migrants have a net benefit to the economy of £2.5bn. But it's being used to fill in the hole the bankers left us in. We can only address the cultural changes by getting rid of people already here or dispersing them over the country, and I know you are not advocating that. The problems with our hospitals are not, I think, linked to immigration ( which is vital for the NHS workforce).

Fair enough on the possible financial hit as a personal choice, which is the only basis on which we can vote. I hope everyone voting Brexit has weighed it up like you have.

 

Yep fair enough. Apologies.
Whisky taken.
I'll never vote for Corbyn and I'm reasonably content with my life choices.
I stand by my belief that the EU is an elitist club that favours the well off individuals and countries.
There are millions of young Europeans on the unemployment scrap heap as the EU economy nose dives.
It is one of the worst performing trading blocks in the world. So I don't buy into all the economic armageddon forecasts for us if we leave. I also stand by my belief that local services in many areas have definitely been effected by being put under extra pressure from immigration. The people in these areas certainly seem to feel this to be the case. I note you disagree.
Anyway, apologies again. It wasn't meant as a personal attack.
I'd best leave this till the country have been scared into voting remain, which I still feel is what will happen.
I predict 52% - 48% remain.

 

There is a consensus across the board that we WILL take a fanacial hit if we leave, the only questions is how bad and how long it'll last? You may say it's acceptable now but an extra 5 years of austerity might change your tune when your wages are down and cost of living are through the roof, you'll probably also notice no difference at all on a personal level that we've left.

You should take heed that it's people with money that want to stay in, have you ever seen a situation where the rich lose out and the normal person thrives? **** roles down hill don't forget, if the execs and owners lose money they pass it on to you and I.

 

Economic forecasts are worthless imo.
Anyway I'm leaving this now.

I've said my piece.

 

No mention then of British workers being undercut by East European immigrants who have been living below our poverty line and will inhabit poor conditions to keep their prices low. Fantastic for the wealthy who want to put a new swimming pool in their basement.

 

Now who's got their head in the sand? You've got your opinion and that's fair enough, I just hope that we don't all come to regret the result in years to come!

 

Also fantastic for the consumer who benefits from lower prices. How many British folk would sit on a bench on wheels travelling through a field sorting potatoes on zero hour contracts for minimum wage? Some farms have 80% low skill eu migrant workers, swap that for Brits on living wage with 40 hour contracts, holiday/sick/maternity pay and pension payments and you'll soon see the price of your shopping go through the roof!

 

Should we you do away with the minimum wage then Goldie? That would stop these pesky EU immigrants coming here wouldn't it? Irrelevant really, because there will likely be no jobs left for them to steal.

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If we need farm workers, they will still come after Brexit - by invitation