Off Topic EU deabte. Which way are you voting ?

The IMF, Stephen Hawking, the OECD and Confederation of British Industry are paid for by the EU??????? Is that the same as with Brian Cox and the majority of British scientists as well?

 

it is selfish to vote out.
I dont wanna be left, after the old people have died, trying to fix things.

 

The Boris Battle Bus is already breaking the law by using the NHS logo when it has been demanded not to use that logo. It has also been told to not use the £350m a week figure as it has been discredited.

But people still believe that Boris, Gove and IDS - people who have individully promoted private healthcare and privatization will for some reason protect the NHS and invest money in it if they are given power!

 

I think Custard has taken a long walk off the short sanity pier and is now bobbing along in madness lagoon...

 

It's amazing how many hard working and educated people are coming here for work. How come they're not benefiting from EU funding and being given the opportunity in their own country, rather than moving the skill shortage from here to there?

Wouldn't it make more sense to invest locally, in business and education?

 

Our benefits are better and thats why we need to get out before they bleed us dry

 

since when have politicians done the right thing?

 

Corbyn's position is interesting. He wants more nationalisation, but EU doesn't lend itself to that, and he favours the EU.

 

I caught a bit of a debate a bit back, where our government were trying to address that, but other EU states, that don't pay their own people, objected because it discriminated against their people, as they wouldn't get what others had should they want to come to the UK.

 

1. There are many British people moving abroad to work as well, increasingly in modern times and due in part to globalisation people are expected to move towns, cities and even countries to follow work. Look at the Eurasmus (sp?) scheme to see how many British students study abroad.

2. We have an increasingly aging population as the Baby Boomers reach retirement age (and beyond) and thanks to medical advances people are living longer these days. There are more 45+ people in the country than there are 20-45 year olds. So foreign workers are used to fill the skill shortages.

3. There has been drastic cut backs in things like Nurse and teacher training in this country, leading to a chronic shortage of British nurses, doctors and teachers, as a result we need to look abroad to fill these skills gaps - though a decent amount of these come from beyond the EU, a significant amount still come from within the EU.

 

Interesting comment. The EU doesn't stop nationalistion - look at the German railway (who own Arriva trains) and the Welsh Assembly recently bought Cardiff Airport. The only thing the EU regulates against is direct state aid, which is handy as with our diminished public sector there's no way we'd be able to compete on a larger scale with using state aid to prop up public assets to make them artificially cheaper than their competitors (see Chinese steel).

What Corbyn is talking about with things like the railway franchises is to nationalise them and to run then as companies, as this would be much cheaper than what we are doing currently - which is subsidizing private companies. Which costs a lot more than when the railways were originally nationalised (no state aid needed).

 

1. When people fro here go abroad, they tend to be self funded, not by the state.

2. We have trainable unemployed that could fill that gap. Instead, we pay them to do nothing.

3. The skill shortage and immigration policies have been admitted to be wrong, and labour apologised for doing it. Taking the better workers from another struggling economy is not the best thing for either country. It simply puts the other country in the same **** state that left us 'needing' them.

There's no call for a block on the movement of people, merely a call for sovereign nations to be able to act democratically.

 

I don't know where to start with this as none of it really makes sense sorry. But unfortunately I need to go out so I haven't got time to pick apart what I think it means.

 

Not strictly accurate. But I hesitated before commenting it all, because I don't have the time or inclination to debate it properly.

 

If it's anything like some of your other replies on the subject, I feel blessed.

 

1 You cant go to any country without the right skills, you try and get into yank land/Canada without the right skill set/age or a shed load of dosh, you will have little chance

2 We are living and working longer.
3 A points system means we can choose who we want, not let any old **** in (yes none EU needs to be sorted as well)but border control is what we need.

If we need DRs we can let them in if we need plumbers we can let them in, if we need dregs we can get them from Liverpool.

 

"if it aint broke.........."

 

....only OUT can fix it..

 

so if it isnt broke... only OUT can fix that?
so you are saying that only OUT can break it? I tend to agree with you.

 

Yes, there are those that want to form a federal state. I won't support that, and I doubt most other members of the European public would either.

We are fine as we are. We have all the benefits of being a member of the EU. We are not part of their single currency - something I would support if I thought the benefits were there, however. But a federal United States of Europe - No! I'd vote no to that...