Don't really do the politics but had an eye opener last night. I was coming back from France on the Dieppe ferry and have never seen anything like it. Our boat was delayed over an hour because of the men aged between 18-25 trying to get into any vehical that was going to England. They were climbing over the fence, getting under the lorries, trying to get into peoples caravans. The French security was some fat bloke with a yellow jacket and a torch. All he was doing was asking them to leave once found and they would do it again. After a while 3 police turned up and a few of the motorist were telling them where these guys were and they wern't interested. Surely this cannot be allowed to happen? If i climbed over a fence at Dover i would be arrested and probably go to jail yet these blokes were just being let go to do the same again. I have been to France 3 times in the last year and twice i have been held up due to these idiots. To top it off when we arrived in the UK there was no customs/boarder control, just waved through. This needs to be sorted.
Some Remainian keeps hijacking the comments thread on the Daily Mail so that all the #remain comments get the most recommendations. Some frothing at the mouth from the locals. Quite surprised at the lack of news on the Mail site - it's mainly comment and opinion dressed up as news if you haven't visited it recently. Apparently its one of the world's most popular "news" websites - mainly for the showbiz and gossip I'm presuming - so I can't knock the business model.
EU Campaign Literature Review - the much discussed official Government pamphlet being sent to every household - not received at my household - Leave.eu - Farage's mob - a leaflet asking for my cash and volunteer time. No arguments at all - Vote Leave - official Brexit gang, led by Mr Kurtz aka Gove Two 4 page leaflets the centre pages of which are identical. All the usual stuff about £350m, a map to show me where Turkey and Albania are etc, some sound bites by has beens, a claim that Unilever said they would not reduce UK jobs, when the CEO was on the radio last week saying they would have to look at it, and one very good question. Does admit that there are risks in leaving. - the Labour IN for Britain leaflet, lots of 'ordinary people' stories, only politician featured Alan Johnson No help at all, because if you read them side by side it is evident that one or both of the campaigns are lying.
Yes, it's the gross figure, and the net figure taking account of rebates is currently about half that.
[ Then why don't they use the net figure when they promise extra NHS funding and fuel VAT cuts? It is genuinely misleading. And, before you say it, the Remain sides every family £4,300 worse off stuff is misleading too, as it implies everyone's salary will be cut rather than a guess at the cumulative impact of a whole range of things. But for the Brexiters this £350m is becoming an albatross around their necks, the discussion is all about their honesty and not the issues. I suppose it is too late for them to back down without looking even more dishonest.[/QUOTE] I think it was misleading, but no more than some of the hysteria coming out of Remain, particularly Cameron and Osborne. So long as OUT refer to it as the gross figure that is correct. Any rebate is down, as I understand it, to the discretion of the EU
We're leading the way. Let's get back to a Common Market of friendly, collaborative, supportive, neighbouring European nations
It certainly does have something to do with the EU, because the ECJ had just ruled that illegal immigrants cannot be held in custody pending repatriation, so police and security guards in France are having to let them go, so they do it again...and again... and again until they get in http://news.sky.com/story/1708283/illegal-migrants-cant-be-jailed-court-rules
So, which EU country are these lads from? If, they are from another EU country, they can just walk in legally. They don't need to go on the backs of trucks or squatting in caravans. They are from Afghanistan, Iraq and places like that. They have no right to go to the UK or any EU country. If you have the correct border controls in place, these fellas wouldn't get in. The current controls obviously need improving. You are not a Schengen country so you have control over the situation at present - or you should have.
The ruling does not apply to the UK or Ireland, which are not within the Schengen zone. It also does not apply to Denmark, which although a member of the Schengen zone holds an opt out from European Union justice policies. The ruling also contains some important conditions. It says migrants may be detained - for up to 18 months - if there is "a risk of the removal being compromised", which may be interpreted to mean that they are a flight risk. Detention is also permitted if a person is subject to a deportation order and has refused to go, or if they have already been deported, and have attempted to re-enter the country illegally, in breach of an entry ban. So if our borders are strong enough anyone entering illegally can be detained and deported. Also, if the illegals are breaking the law in France but attempting to hide themselves in vehicles/ walk through the tunnel etc they can be detained as possible criminals. The 'problem' is one of implementation by the French, though why they should police our borders for us is a mystery to me.
We're talking non-EU migrants attempting to get into the UK. When they are caught by the French police - as this woman was with a false passport - the EU now says they should be released and will thus likely try again. So the UK really is affected because the immigrants will keep trying and being released when they're caught, until they succeed in entering the UK illegally
So, the French police are responsible for policing your borders? If you can't police your own borders, there is no point in pointing a finger at other EU countries. If an illegal immigrant enters France from the UK, would it be right for the French to blame the British? The answer is no. It is up to each country to police their own borders and with Schengen, you currently have control over that issue.
See my reply to Finglas. It makes law enforcement toothless at the French/Belgium end. If they catch someone trying to cross the Channel illegally, then in absence of the extreme circumstances you state, they must be released and will thus be free to try again, and be released again etc If someone is caught using a false passport, surely they should be arrested and held, pending trial, repatriation or both
You're missing the point. If an immigrant uses a false passport on French soil, it's committing an offence on French soil
I think it's quite clear Goldie, if you are an illegal immigrant who is a 'flight risk' , in other words you could try and hide from the authorities who want to deport you in the country you have illegally entered, or try to get into another country illegally, you can be detained. It's just that the French aren't doing it. And all those trying at Calais are breaking the law anyway.
So that is an internal French matter. It is nothing got to do with the EU. You have self control at present.
