Don't disagree with anything you say. Re the jaffa thing, a cake goes hard over time and a biscuit goes soft. Maybe they could have used that as the argument.
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As with most things legalese, there is, of course, substance in what you say, but what you say is not absolute or without question. Yes, it can be questioned what concessions mean, someone may also use their judgement to come up with a broadest reasonable interpretation of what it means in the context of its application within the rules of the Premier League.
You have given us your professional opinion, which is great, but you assume a great deal of ignorance and conclusion, which is neither accurate or yet reached. We are not yet in the PL and must comply with its rules to join; I am sure that if the PL management do not think HCAFC is going to be compliant, with the essence of how they define concessions, then HCAFC will be told and something will need to change. This is not a retrospective issue yet.
We are discussing the scheme as it has been released and publicised to the general public. If they make changes and bring in concessions then it has changed and we can judge that scheme, just as we can when the day ticket home and away terms are released. Currently I believe our club are offering no concessions, certainly none that can be likened to all footballing and other sporting precedents, or do you have something that contradicts this now, not tomorrow or the next day? What Hull City could easily do has no relevance, it is what they are doing that is the issue.
Right
Last post you said it was unequivocal.
Not sure what the above means... The PL can tell us what it likes, but only if it has a legal basis to. It's not an omnipotent ruler that dictates it's will with impunity.
And what you believe is not relevant, just as much as what I believe isn't.
I give up explaining now.
All sorts could happen... Time to wait and see. I expect something will change but I can't for the life of me work out what you are on about! We are PL and we are subject to its rules, there isn't an initiation ceremony where we get out a quill and sign!
It's happened
Last post you said it was unequivocal.
Not sure what the above means... The PL can tell us what it likes, but only if it has a legal basis to. It's not an omnipotent ruler that dictates it's will with impunity.
And what you believe is not relevant, just as much as what I believe isn't.
I give up explaining now.
All sorts could happen... Time to wait and see. I expect something will change but I can't for the life of me work out what you are on about! We are PL and we are subject to its rules, there isn't an initiation ceremony where we get out a quill and sign!
It's happened
The Premier League is a business which is owned by it's clubs & the FA. You only get to own a share if you agree to abide by the very clear rules.
It's that simple.
'omnipotent ruler' .......'initiation ceremony'
Any chance you have knowledge of the widow's son ?
Ok
Explain the clear rule 7 and what it means, and why if it's so clear is it manifested in so many different guises across clubs.
I'm not taking the bait now, I'll leave you to elaborate on the meaning. Also, if we maintain that we believe the scheme compiles, do you think the team will be left to watch the PL on tv and our opponents get a weekly bye? Seriously...
Some of SCB's lady friends will possess such articles bearing in mind the line of business he is in.
You seriously need this explaining?
"Concessionary prices must be available for:
R.7.1. senior citizens; and
R.7.2. junior supporters."
What are your opinions on B15.4
Do you have an opinion on the Premier League response to the Culture Media & Sport Select Committee in their definition of how the Premier League is made up & that the FA approved Premier League Rule Book is the expression of a Contract between Clubs as, among other things, how relations between clubs should be conducted?
My opinion is that if the club accept the very clear rules they are accepting a contract to join the Premier League & as per rule B15.4 they are bound to comply by the rules.
If they don't agree then Newcastle will replace us in the PL & we'll need to reapply to join the Football League. This won't happen because Ehab will agree to be bound by the rules. As the rules are contractual & rule B15.4 is clear that Membership of the League shall constitute an agreement between the League and Clubs and between each Club to be bound by and comply with the rules their will be no subsequent legal recourse.
Have you read the rules or just the little bits that have been quoted?
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On a side note Secret Santas were banned from our work because some sad **** complained when they believed a merkin to be a fanny wig.
Wrong.
Never said it was omnipotent, but it is representative of an organised group with restricted membership and rules to govern the membership.
I understand must, I also understand the various uses of concession. I also understand a broad reasonable interpretation.
Given your lack of knowledge on the matter I will leave you to it and let the necessary proceedings - you deny exist - take their due process.
I think there will be other legal warriors who will not be swamped by language, meaning and nuance, but, instead, will cut to the chase and offer a strong argument based on precedent and reasonable interpretation, as broad as you like.
Can you tell me on what date we joined the Premier League, was it the same day Newcastle left it, or the day Villa left it. When did Burnley join? Was there a vagueness in the rules about total membership at any given time?
Zones 1 and 2 are designated zones for concessions. The prices are cheaper than similar parts of the ground and the club state that people entitled to concessions under the old system have priority in obtaining seats in these zones therefore concessionary prices are available to senior citizens and junior supporters.
The club will argue they have complied with the Premier League rules and should be admitted.
so if away fans are herded into West Upper how have they offered concessions to those fans - presumably concessions should be available to all
I'm sure they will
Although the counter argument is that the prices in the area are also paid by people who shouldn't get concessions
Certainly they would have to guarantee that people who qualified for a concession could sit there (and therefore gradually move Mavros!)
I assume it would be up to the PL to decide if they argreed with their argument or not
Away fans can't be charged more than home fans for equivalent facilities. It doesn't mean they can't be charged less as far as I can tell.
That being the case, it's possible that they can designate the away fans area, be it upper west, or ne corner, as a zone that includes concessions.
Which is why, if the Premier league insist on any changes altering the direct debits in zones 1 and 2 to include concessions is the likeliest outcome. Its simple and easy to implement under the membership scheme.
The more I look at the 21 pages the more worrying it becomes.