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By the way...Just seen tonight. Brentford are scrapping their academy. Will only concentrate on a development squad only....That is a backward step for the bees imho
 
Eamon Holmes said:
Sadly, you would never get planning permission to redevelop a public park.
The area behind The Scrubbs is too close to H&F Hospital and is also a public park.

It really has to be a brownfield site, and looking down from above (GoogleEarth) there are few, if any, of these sites locally.

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Opportunities wasted?

Yes they have planned, but their plans were/are 1000% easier to fulfil than ours. What else could we have done to get a new site for a 35,000 seater stadium?

Brentford have been lucky enough to have found a space where a 20,000 seater stadium could go. It won't get bigger. It can't.
We don't want 20,000 as it is too close to what we have. We want 35,000 and space for that is far more difficult to come by.

AFC Wimbledon have been lucky that Wimbledon's old ground of 20 years ago was still available and they can redevelop it to 20,000. Again not big enough for us but just what they want.

The QPR training ground is down to red tape. It is public park land and you have to spend ages jumping through hoops (no pun intended) to get things like this allowed.

The problems on the pitch and the wasted £250m are ultimately the fault of the last two owners and the managers they selected, but not the stadium/training ground projects.
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How do you figure that Mate? assume you mean Tango and Cash??
 
In April 1948, after winning the Third Division (South) championship, the club bought the freehold of the stadium plus 39 houses in Loftus Road and Ellerslie Road for £26,250. When the club's finances were under pressure in the late 1950s the houses had to be sold.
 
ELLERS said:
What did you write again?
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Bloody hell Ellers, are you on the sauce again :D

Eamon wrote ...

''Opportunities wasted?

Yes they have planned, but their plans were/are 1000% easier to fulfil than ours. What else could we have done to get a new site for a 35,000 seater stadium?

Brentford have been lucky enough to have found a space where a 20,000 seater stadium could go. It won't get bigger. It can't.
We don't want 20,000 as it is too close to what we have. We want 35,000 and space for that is far more difficult to come by.

AFC Wimbledon have been lucky that Wimbledon's old ground of 20 years ago was still available and they can redevelop it to 20,000. Again not big enough for us but just what they want.

The QPR training ground is down to red tape. It is public park land and you have to spend ages jumping through hoops (no pun intended) to get things like this allowed.

The problems on the pitch and the wasted £250m are ultimately the fault of the last two owners and the managers they selected, but not the stadium/training ground projects.''

Opportunities wasted?

Yes they have planned, but their plans were/are 1000% easier to fulfil than ours. What else could we have done to get a new site for a 35,000 seater stadium?

Brentford have been lucky enough to have found a space where a 20,000 seater stadium could go. It won't get bigger. It can't.
We don't want 20,000 as it is too close to what we have. We want 35,000 and space for that is far more difficult to come by.

AFC Wimbledon have been lucky that Wimbledon's old ground of 20 years ago was still available and they can redevelop it to 20,000. Again not big enough for us but just what they want.

The QPR training ground is down to red tape. It is public park land and you have to spend ages jumping through hoops (no pun intended) to get things like this allowed.

The problems on the pitch and the wasted £250m are ultimately the fault of the last two owners and the managers they selected, but not the stadium/training ground projects.
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Eamon Holmes said:
West Ham are moving to the Olympic Stadium. 13 miles from Loftus Road. Never an option for us.

Chelsea are building on the site of Stamford bridge. Rebuilding Loftus Road not an option.
Spurs are building on the site of White Hart Lane. Rebuilding Loftus Road not an option.
AFC Wimbledon "moving back" and rebuilding Plough Lane. Capacity when finished only 20,000 and fixed.
Brentford moving to new stadium - a mile from the old one. Capacity when finished only 20,000 and fixed.

QPR.
We cannot redevelop. No space.

If we are to move then we must find a totally new site. Where?

White City was never, ever viable. The cost would have been far too much (especially when it became available in the 1980s). Redevelopment of what had become, for the most part, a ****-hole was too expensive. Lots of bullshit spoken at the time, but is was never on. The cost of the land was far too expensive.

The Old Dairy. This was never on. The cost of the land was far too expensive. Would need to go into partnership with H&F Council, but their priority is housing. They have quotas to reach. We would never have got planning permission.

Westfield. Could not hope to compete with others over the cost of land and H&F council wanted the shopping centre more than a football ground and we would never have got permission.

Old Oak Common ... well, that one you know.

So come on, tell me how any brilliant forward planning would have found us a new home?

You can't compare us with Chelsea or Spurs because they are building on their old sites ... much cheaper too.
Brentford are moving up, but to become roughly the same size as us. The size of their allowed build reflects this. We could not have bought the same plot and put 30,000 or 35,000 stadium on there.
AFC Wimbledon are going back to the site of a ground for a 20,000 stadium - but would you want to travel 9 miles to a game?

People seem to live in a dream world that if there is any space where a stadium might fit then all we have to say is "We are QPR" and suddenly the price becomes right and planning permission granted.

It has **** all to do with who is (or were) owners/in charge of the club.

Of all the clubs mentioned ours has the hardest task by far. Totally new build 30-35,000 stadium. Remember that Chelsea spent years looking for a place to build a new stadium and failed. Luckily for them they could redevelop Stamford bridge.

If you want someone to blame then maybe we should blame those in charge in the 1950s. The club had actually bought 39 houses in Loftus Road and Ellerslie Road thinking of expansion. However the club was short of money and the houses were sold off again!

I'm still waiting for your wonderful ideas about where we should go.
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Shame you weren't advising the Board for the last few years Eamon, may be we wouldn't have been subjected to 5 years of bollocks being talked about capital developments by our owners. Perhaps these developments were never practical or realistic, but we are more than justified in criticising Fernandes et al and doubting their competence for either not knowing how difficult and time consuming these developments would be or, if they did know, ignoring reality.
 
QPR999 said:
Bloody hell Ellers, are you on the sauce again :D

Eamon wrote ...

''Opportunities wasted?

Yes they have planned, but their plans were/are 1000% easier to fulfil than ours. What else could we have done to get a new site for a 35,000 seater stadium?

Brentford have been lucky enough to have found a space where a 20,000 seater stadium could go. It won't get bigger. It can't.
We don't want 20,000 as it is too close to what we have. We want 35,000 and space for that is far more difficult to come by.

AFC Wimbledon have been lucky that Wimbledon's old ground of 20 years ago was still available and they can redevelop it to 20,000. Again not big enough for us but just what they want.

The QPR training ground is down to red tape. It is public park land and you have to spend ages jumping through hoops (no pun intended) to get things like this allowed.

The problems on the pitch and the wasted £250m are ultimately the fault of the last two owners and the managers they selected, but not the stadium/training ground projects.''
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999's i was being silly due to his in-depth analysis.
It is pretty obvious that TF wants the OOC development (not just the stadium). It will be interesting how much TF loves QPR if he fails to get this?
 
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More doom & gloom.

QPR preparing for the worst in 2018 if they don’t return to Premier League

Rangers chief plans ahead for a cut-price world where the club jump through hoops to balance an ever decreasing budget after Premier League payments cease

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Battle: Lee Hoos (left below), Tony Fernandes



QPR chief executive Lee Hoos says it’s smarter to be financially gloomy than believe in a better tomorrow that might never come.

That’s why Hoos imagines the end of 2017-18 and a club with all the Premier League parachute money spent and still languishing in the second tier or worse.

Rangers realism extends to selling their best players to survive if they haven’t returned to the top tier and/or secured the go-head to build a brand new 35,000 seater stadium and complex on Old Oak, north of Wormwood Scrubs.

The chief executive insists a practical approach endorsed by the rest of the board and chairman Tony Fernandes is the only approach after eight years of overspending that leaves Rs in the Financial Fair-Play dock.

Hoos explained: “Four years down the road, and we’re looking at the worst case scenario. It’s always easier to look up than downshift.
“The worst case is we run out of parachute payments and bang! How we are able to adjust?
“It’s possible we become a stepping stone for some players on the up.”

Rangers budget last season was already a third less than the 2014-15 campaign that ended in relegation.

http://www.getwestlondon.co.uk/sport/football/football-news/qpr-preparing-worst-2018-dont-11321439
 
That's it. I've had enough. Fifty-odd years of being ****ed about by this club and I'm not going to take it anymore.




Or maybe I will. Probably. I don't know really.




**** it, of course I bleeding will, when do the fixtures come out?
 
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Kilburn said:
More doom & gloom.

QPR preparing for the worst in 2018 if they don’t return to Premier League

Rangers chief plans ahead for a cut-price world where the club jump through hoops to balance an ever decreasing budget after Premier League payments cease

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Battle: Lee Hoos (left below), Tony Fernandes



QPR chief executive Lee Hoos says it’s smarter to be financially gloomy than believe in a better tomorrow that might never come.

That’s why Hoos imagines the end of 2017-18 and a club with all the Premier League parachute money spent and still languishing in the second tier or worse.

Rangers realism extends to selling their best players to survive if they haven’t returned to the top tier and/or secured the go-head to build a brand new 35,000 seater stadium and complex on Old Oak, north of Wormwood Scrubs.

The chief executive insists a practical approach endorsed by the rest of the board and chairman Tony Fernandes is the only approach after eight years of overspending that leaves Rs in the Financial Fair-Play dock.

Hoos explained: “Four years down the road, and we’re looking at the worst case scenario. It’s always easier to look up than downshift.
“The worst case is we run out of parachute payments and bang! How we are able to adjust?
“It’s possible we become a stepping stone for some players on the up.”

Rangers budget last season was already a third less than the 2014-15 campaign that ended in relegation.

http://www.getwestlondon.co.uk/sport/football/football-news/qpr-preparing-worst-2018-dont-11321439
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This news if it is that, is months old. Hoos said it at a Support Groups meeting with himself, Les and JFH for the Club 2 or 3 months ago. Was hardly news then either.
 
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To be fair to Tony I think he was right to realise that if the Club is to grow, it has to leave Loftus Road. However its the planning of that move that is all cock-eyed. Perhaps I'm wrong (and undoubtedly I am not sad enough to waste my life following the news of our neighbours) but I can't help feeling that if he wasn't so keen always to publicise his efforts for the sake of his public image we would be well on the way by now. All of them have succeeded in moving or preparing for the move by buying the land while Tony has publicised what he is intending to do. Just like the transfer dealings of the past - a few less tweets and a bit more secrecy. The consortium which owns the club know what they need to do and should just get on with it. I'm really not interested in any more hot off the press soundbites about how our latest planning proposal has been submitted and how many politicians are fully behind our bid.
 
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