This is seriously annoying and depressing...
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We're being left behind
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Yep. 5 years down the drain. Fernandes run up a quarter of a billion debt to move backward while others didn't and moved forward. I gave up any hope of a self-sustaining football club a good while back and I'm genuinely curious as to what happens when OOC gets knocked back.
Uncle Tony lovers will jump to the buffoons defence but he has seriously put our club in jeopardy with his idiotic visions and foolhardy ' running of our club'!
And our ground will still be more fun to go to
Go and sit at the back at the Emirates if you want to see what a boring ground is like
Go and sit at the back at the Emirates if you want to see what a boring ground is like
in our boardrooms defence, these stadiums built or planned for have taken years too. Land is hard to get hold of, especially West London. In Tone we trust
Brentford and Wimbledon will have bigger grounds than us, while the big three in London will/are giants compared to us. If we had bought White City we would be right up there with the biggest. OOC needs to happen soon.
That one is more down to the fans than the design (though I don't like it much), the Highbury Library was a boring ground to watch in too.
New QPR ground in my lifetime? Not unless we buy Griffin Park. Or move much further west/ northwest.
Guys it takes time. TF said that 5 years ago. Then lee Hoos said the same at the last meeting. And at the next meeting in 5 years we will hear the same. Don't expect to move into Tony's 'Pie in the sky' stadium anytime soon.
Clubs have been passing us by for years and we are being left behind by smaller clubs than us.
Clubs have been passing us by for years and we are being left behind by smaller clubs than us.
Yes indeed ellers...don't expect to be challenging the prem big boys but uncle tone makes us look like cnuts...
its kind of painfull but it really goes back to the time of dave sexton running our club,dave was a fabulous coach but god bless his heaert he didnt have tommy docherties incredible buying technology poor old dave let the whole squad get too old and we died and although re invented by the great venables erm i dont think we ever really re coverd from that heady seventies we were one minute second in the prem and one minute completely crap with a team of pensioners
The fundamental mistakes we have made since the late 80s is a non existent scouting system and poor poor youth player development!
I am sure that I remain in a minority but I just don't understand the dreams for, or need of, a larger ground. I would be happy we stayed at LR (ideally with some investment in the present infrastructure and a re-designed roof doing away with those rotten posts). I don't think larger grounds have the atmosphere or ability to see the a match close up. In particular, the West Ham fans will get an awful view next year and will probably need opera binoculars to see a game. Our location is great, 4 train stations within a short walk, easy parking, a shopping centre to keep the other half (and my credit card company) happy. We do not sell out at LR every week as it is, so why waste cash on an extra 10,000 or more (empty) seats?
Sort of agree with this.
Always thought the best thing to do was to buy all the houses on Ellerslie Road and expand the ground to 30/35K
Of course, you would need to get rid of the people but money talks and it would be far cheaper than a new stadium. It would keep us in W12 and all would be happy but sadly TF wants the developement and the stadium comes second.
Right now, I'll settle for some decent purchases by JFH over the summer. If we have a real competitive go for the top 6 next season, that'll do for me.
Looking ahead with the ground, I just hope the owners are being realistic in hanging on for Old Oak Common. I certainly don't want an opera-glass ground as IWAWR has warned against. I find my visits to Southampton at St Mary's pretty soulless. But a ground something like Villa Park would do us well. Let's hope the owners have that in mind preferably during our lifetimes
Looking ahead with the ground, I just hope the owners are being realistic in hanging on for Old Oak Common. I certainly don't want an opera-glass ground as IWAWR has warned against. I find my visits to Southampton at St Mary's pretty soulless. But a ground something like Villa Park would do us well. Let's hope the owners have that in mind preferably during our lifetimes
West Ham are moving to the Olympic Stadium. 13 miles from Loftus Road. Never an option for us.
Chelsea are building on the site of Stamford bridge. Rebuilding Loftus Road not an option.
Spurs are building on the site of White Hart Lane. Rebuilding Loftus Road not an option.
AFC Wimbledon "moving back" and rebuilding Plough Lane. Capacity when finished only 20,000 and fixed.
Brentford moving to new stadium - a mile from the old one. Capacity when finished only 20,000 and fixed.
QPR.
We cannot redevelop. No space.
If we are to move then we must find a totally new site. Where?
White City was never, ever viable. The cost would have been far too much (especially when it became available in the 1980s). Redevelopment of what had become, for the most part, a ****-hole was too expensive. Lots of bullshit spoken at the time, but is was never on. The cost of the land was far too expensive.
The Old Dairy. This was never on. The cost of the land was far too expensive. Would need to go into partnership with H&F Council, but their priority is housing. They have quotas to reach. We would never have got planning permission.
Westfield. Could not hope to compete with others over the cost of land and H&F council wanted the shopping centre more than a football ground and we would never have got permission.
Old Oak Common ... well, that one you know.
So come on, tell me how any brilliant forward planning would have found us a new home?
You can't compare us with Chelsea or Spurs because they are building on their old sites ... much cheaper too.
Brentford are moving up, but to become roughly the same size as us. The size of their allowed build reflects this. We could not have bought the same plot and put 30,000 or 35,000 stadium on there.
AFC Wimbledon are going back to the site of a ground for a 20,000 stadium - but would you want to travel 9 miles to a game?
People seem to live in a dream world that if there is any space where a stadium might fit then all we have to say is "We are QPR" and suddenly the price becomes right and planning permission granted.
It has **** all to do with who is (or were) owners/in charge of the club.
Of all the clubs mentioned ours has the hardest task by far. Totally new build 30-35,000 stadium. Remember that Chelsea spent years looking for a place to build a new stadium and failed. Luckily for them they could redevelop Stamford bridge.
If you want someone to blame then maybe we should blame those in charge in the 1950s. The club had actually bought 39 houses in Loftus Road and Ellerslie Road thinking of expansion. However the club was short of money and the houses were sold off again!
I'm still waiting for your wonderful ideas about where we should go.
Chelsea are building on the site of Stamford bridge. Rebuilding Loftus Road not an option.
Spurs are building on the site of White Hart Lane. Rebuilding Loftus Road not an option.
AFC Wimbledon "moving back" and rebuilding Plough Lane. Capacity when finished only 20,000 and fixed.
Brentford moving to new stadium - a mile from the old one. Capacity when finished only 20,000 and fixed.
QPR.
We cannot redevelop. No space.
If we are to move then we must find a totally new site. Where?
White City was never, ever viable. The cost would have been far too much (especially when it became available in the 1980s). Redevelopment of what had become, for the most part, a ****-hole was too expensive. Lots of bullshit spoken at the time, but is was never on. The cost of the land was far too expensive.
The Old Dairy. This was never on. The cost of the land was far too expensive. Would need to go into partnership with H&F Council, but their priority is housing. They have quotas to reach. We would never have got planning permission.
Westfield. Could not hope to compete with others over the cost of land and H&F council wanted the shopping centre more than a football ground and we would never have got permission.
Old Oak Common ... well, that one you know.
So come on, tell me how any brilliant forward planning would have found us a new home?
You can't compare us with Chelsea or Spurs because they are building on their old sites ... much cheaper too.
Brentford are moving up, but to become roughly the same size as us. The size of their allowed build reflects this. We could not have bought the same plot and put 30,000 or 35,000 stadium on there.
AFC Wimbledon are going back to the site of a ground for a 20,000 stadium - but would you want to travel 9 miles to a game?
People seem to live in a dream world that if there is any space where a stadium might fit then all we have to say is "We are QPR" and suddenly the price becomes right and planning permission granted.
It has **** all to do with who is (or were) owners/in charge of the club.
Of all the clubs mentioned ours has the hardest task by far. Totally new build 30-35,000 stadium. Remember that Chelsea spent years looking for a place to build a new stadium and failed. Luckily for them they could redevelop Stamford bridge.
If you want someone to blame then maybe we should blame those in charge in the 1950s. The club had actually bought 39 houses in Loftus Road and Ellerslie Road thinking of expansion. However the club was short of money and the houses were sold off again!
I'm still waiting for your wonderful ideas about where we should go.