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[PINKIE]

did not know about Ledley kings rep for being a piss head
Don't ever remember him being charged and convicted of a racist crime and have never seen footage where is he seen or heard using racist terms.
banter and wind ups are one thing but calling someone a racist or claiming someone has hurled racist abuse around with no evidence apart from taking the word of people who sold their story to a paper is beneath you imo.

The Spurs captain is said to have called doorman Wahib Butt a 'Paki' after he was refused entry to a nightclub. After being barred because staff said he was too drunk to stand, he reportedly said, 'Do you not know who I am?' before allegedly assaulting the 22-year-old security guard. The doorman said he was then punched in the face. His colleagues grabbed the defender in a headlock and forcing him to the floor.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...nd-Spurs-star-Ledley-Kings-jibe-arrested.html

 

[remembercolinlee]

The Spurs captain is said to have called doorman Wahib Butt a 'Paki' after he was refused entry to a nightclub. After being barred because staff said he was too drunk to stand, he reportedly said, 'Do you not know who I am?' before allegedly assaulting the 22-year-old security guard. The doorman said he was then punched in the face. His colleagues grabbed the defender in a headlock and forcing him to the floor.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...nd-Spurs-star-Ledley-Kings-jibe-arrested.html

Sorry PISKIE but quoting the daily mail to justify saying that king called someone a racist is stupid.
is there any evidence that this criminal act happened other than someone claiming it in a paper?
The answer is no...cos other wise he would have been charged.
were gooner cheering on a rapist for years every time RVP played?
Your argument is **** and is beneath you I get why people call Terry a racist ... cos they can clearly see what he said and his argument ad to why he said it seems implausible. No such evidence exists with king so you are basing an allegation of racism on the report from a newspaper that you have no time for.
That is beneath you imo

 

[PINKIE]

Sorry PISKIE but quoting the daily mail to justify saying that king called someone a racist is stupid.
is there any evidence that this criminal act happened other than someone claiming it in a paper?
The answer is no...cos other wise he would have been charged.
were gooner cheering on a rapist for years every time RVP played?
Your argument is **** and is beneath you I get why people call Terry a racist ... cos they can clearly see what he said and his argument ad to why he said it seems implausible. No such evidence exists with king so you are basing an allegation of racism on the report from a newspaper that you have no time for.
That is beneath you imo

He was arrested on suspicion of ABH

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/sport/fo...edley-King-arrested-over-alleged-assault.html

 

[remembercolinlee]

Abh is not racist

Arrested on suspicion is not proof of guilt

But as this is enough for you to justify your **** claims it is OK to point out that you are OK with cheering on a rapist that scored for your club?

You are making yourself look an arse with this bollocks so just stop.

Racism is too serious a subject to have games played with it.

 

[PINKIE]

Abh is not racist

Arrested on suspicion is not proof of guilt

But as this is enough for you to justify your **** claims it is OK to point out that you are OK with cheering on a rapist that scored for your club?

You are making yourself look an arse with this bollocks so just stop.

Racism is too serious a subject to have games played with it.

Mate, you're usually a pretty good poster, but you are completely wrong on this one. You're also being a hypocrite as RVP was never charged with rape yet here you are trying to chastise me for pointing out that Ledley King wasn't charged.

Ledley King was arrested for 'racially aggravated common assault' and even apolgised to Tottenham for his behaviour. The nighclub bouncer claimed that he called him a 'Fat Paki' and then punched him in the face. If it wasn't a racially aggravated assault then why was he arrested for a racially aggravated assault ?

I think you're being a bit disingenous and when you read this back a bit later you'll probably agree with me.

 

[remembercolinlee]

Mate, you're usually a pretty good poster, but you are completely wrong on this one. You're also being a hypocrite as RVP was never charged with rape yet here you are trying to chastise me for pointing out that Ledley King wasn't charged.

Ledley King was arrested for 'racially aggravated common assault' and even apolgised to Tottenham for his behaviour. The nighclub bouncer claimed that he called him a 'Fat Paki' and then punched him in the face. If it wasn't a racially aggravated assault then why was he arrested for a racially aggravated assault ?

I think you're being a bit disingenous and when you read this back a bit later you'll probably agree with me.

My point about RVP is that those calling him a rapist were wrong...He was arrested but never charged or convicted therefore it was outrageous to call him a rapist...how the **** does that make me a hypocrite?

Ledley was never charged or taken to court or convicted of any racist crime yet you say he was guilty of a racially aggrevated crime. I never challenged anything other than you calling him a racist like it was a fact. You attach 2 articles from tory papers (when you hate the tories) as your proof and say that as he apologised for his behaviour it proved you right but conviently forget to mention that he has always denied using any racist language.
do not patronise me or play games...you accused him of being a racist...and you have no evidence other than someone claiming this in a paper.

As for the arrest ... being arrested is not proof of guilt...how the **** can you pretend otherwise. When did innocent until proved guilty become innocent until arrested...even the ****ing tories ain't managed that

 

[PINKIE]

My point about RVP is that those calling him a rapist were wrong...He was arrested but never charged or convicted therefore it was outrageous to call him a rapist...how the **** does that make me a hypocrite?

Ledley was never charged or taken to court or convicted of any racist crime yet you say he was guilty of a racially aggrevated crime. I never challenged anything other than you calling him a racist like it was a fact. You attach 2 articles from tory papers (when you hate the tories) as your proof and say that as he apologised for his behaviour it proved you right but conviently forget to mention that he has always denied using any racist language.
do not patronise me or play games...you accused him of being a racist...and you have no evidence other than someone claiming this in a paper.

As for the arrest ... being arrested is not proof of guilt...how the **** can you pretend otherwise. When did innocent until proved guilty become innocent until arrested...even the ****ing tories ain't managed that

I said he was arrested for racially aggravated common assault, which he was. You didn't say that you were calling those who said RVP was a racist wrong so in context it was hypocritical. Also what the **** has it got to do with the Tories ? The story about Ledley king's arrest for racially aggravated assault was also in the guardian and the independent.

 

[Bodinki]

Mate, you're usually a pretty good poster, but you are completely wrong on this one. You're also being a hypocrite as RVP was never charged with rape yet here you are trying to chastise me for pointing out that Ledley King wasn't charged.

Ledley King was arrested for 'racially aggravated common assault' and even apolgised to Tottenham for his behaviour. The nighclub bouncer claimed that he called him a 'Fat Paki' and then punched him in the face. If it wasn't a racially aggravated assault then why was he arrested for a racially aggravated assault ?

I think you're being a bit disingenous and when you read this back a bit later you'll probably agree with me.

Is the dumbest sentence you will type today.

That charge shouldn't even exist.
Two different crimes and two different punishments for the same offence.
The fact that you get punished more for punching someone because they are black than you do for punching someone because they annoyed you is ******ed.
Same crime, punishment should be the same.

 

[Spurlock]

The Spurs captain is said to have called doorman Wahib Butt a 'Paki' after he was refused entry to a nightclub. After being barred because staff said he was too drunk to stand, he reportedly said, 'Do you not know who I am?' before allegedly assaulting the 22-year-old security guard. The doorman said he was then punched in the face. His colleagues grabbed the defender in a headlock and forcing him to the floor.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...nd-Spurs-star-Ledley-Kings-jibe-arrested.html

I would have smashed his teeth in, then asked him for his autograph.

 

[PINKIE]

Is the dumbest sentence you will type today.

That charge shouldn't even exist.
Two different crimes and two different punishments for the same offence.
The fact that you get punished more for punching someone because they are black than you do for punching someone because they annoyed you is ******ed.
Same crime, punishment should be the same.

He was arrested for assault and it was allegeded that it was racially aggravated because he called the doorman a 'fat paki'

 

[Bodinki]

He was arrested for assault and it was allegeded that it was racially aggravated because he called the doorman a 'fat paki'

I know.
What I am saying is, its ****ing ******ed that you get punished MORE because you called him a Paki, rather than if he had just called him a "fat, bald ****" for example.
He insults the guy and then punches him (if the alleged was true) either way, same crime.

 

[FosseFilberto]

Was it proven that the doorman was clinically obese?

 

[Bodinki]

Was it proven that the doorman was clinically obese?

If he was infact clinically obese and from Pakistan, then King was arrested for Factual Bodily Harm

Never understood why the term Paki is racist, its just short for Pakistani right?
Same as calling a British person a Brit, or a Scottish person a Scot.

 

[Blueman]

If he was infact clinically obese and from Pakistan, then King was arrested for Factual Bodily Harm

Never understood why the term Paki is racist, its just short for Pakistani right?
Same as calling a British person a Brit, or a Scottish person a Scot.

Cue the enraged, offended masses.

 

[FosseFilberto]

If he was infact clinically obese and from Pakistan, then King was arrested for Factual Bodily Harm

Never understood why the term Paki is racist, its just short for Pakistani right?
Same as calling a British person a Brit, or a Scottish person a Scot.

... and a Welsh person a ****

 

[PINKIE]

If he was infact clinically obese and from Pakistan, then King was arrested for Factual Bodily Harm

Never understood why the term Paki is racist, its just short for Pakistani right?
Same as calling a British person a Brit, or a Scottish person a Scot.

All about context. The England rugby player (can't remember his name) was pulled up for calling somebody 'Gypsy boy' recently. Factually yes he is a gypsy and he's male, but the context in which it was used was offensive.

I'd suggest that the allegation of Ledley King drunkenly calling a Pakistani man 'fat paki' before punching him in the face was also done in an offensive context.

 

[remembercolinlee]

QUOTE="PISKIE, post: 9105569, member: 1000255"]I said he was arrested for racially aggravated common assault, which he was. You didn't say that you were calling those who said RVP was a racist wrong so in context it was hypocritical. Also what the **** has it got to do with the Tories ? The story about Ledley king's arrest for racially aggravated assault was also in the guardian and the independent.[/QUOTE]

Your first response said king was "hurling racist insults around" go back and read it.
If you had said that he'd been arrested for racially aggrevated abh I would not of said anything as that is a fact.
But after I challenged you, you simply continued with saying he had been racist ... you even said that "if it was not racially aggravated abh why was he arrested for it?"
Can you seriously not see the stupidity of that?

As for RVP I thought I was being very clear.

I mentioned him because I seem to remember an argument on the gooner board when he joined United . Someone called him a rapist and this very argument broke out about him being accused not being the same as him being guilty.
If I was seeking to wum or throw **** around I would have spoken about an arsenal legend who was proved guilty of a criminal act...All clubs have them for ffs

As for the tory stuff...pretty sure I have read your views on the tory press on other threads so find it odd you quote them as proof of King being guilty of racism.
the argument that being arrested for a crime or being accused of one in the press makes you guilty is a classic tory line of argument except when it effects a tory of course..

you have made a statement and when challenged talked rubbish...calling me a hypocrite might make you feel better but it's bollocks.

Enjoy being right in your head but I am genuinely surprised you think that some one being arrested is the same as someone being guilty or that it is OK to accuse some one of racism with no actual proof

I will leave this alone now as I don't wish to bore everyone

 

[Tobes]

John Terry is a ****

That is all

 

[PINKIE]

QUOTE="PISKIE, post: 9105569, member: 1000255"]I said he was arrested for racially aggravated common assault, which he was. You didn't say that you were calling those who said RVP was a racist wrong so in context it was hypocritical. Also what the **** has it got to do with the Tories ? The story about Ledley king's arrest for racially aggravated assault was also in the guardian and the independent.

Your first response said king was "hurling racist insults around" go back and read it.
If you had said that he'd been arrested for racially aggrevated abh I would not of said anything as that is a fact.
But after I challenged you, you simply continued with saying he had been racist ... you even said that "if it was not racially aggravated abh why was he arrested for it?"
Can you seriously not see the stupidity of that?

As for RVP I thought I was being very clear.

I mentioned him because I seem to remember an argument on the gooner board when he joined United . Someone called him a rapist and this very argument broke out about him being accused not being the same as him being guilty.
If I was seeking to wum or throw **** around I would have spoken about an arsenal legend who was proved guilty of a criminal act...All clubs have them for ffs

As for the tory stuff...pretty sure I have read your views on the tory press on other threads so find it odd you quote them as proof of King being guilty of racism.
the argument that being arrested for a crime or being accused of one in the press makes you guilty is a classic tory line of argument except when it effects a tory of course..

you have made a statement and when challenged talked rubbish...calling me a hypocrite might make you feel better but it's bollocks.

Enjoy being right in your head but I am genuinely surprised you think that some one being arrested is the same as someone being guilty or that it is OK to accuse some one of racism with no actual proof

I will leave this alone now as I don't wish to bore everyone[/QUOTE]

The initial point was that the spuds were making unfounded accusations about Wilshere drunkenly starting a fight and running away from it when there is absolutely **** all evidence of that happening.

I pointed out that Ledley King was arrested for 'racially aggravated assault' and yes I should have said 'alleged' when I said he was hurling racist insults. But I think it's pretty clear that the police suspected that also because they arrested him for racially aggravated assault. At no point did I call him a racist or continue to call him a racist as you have claimed. I said that he was arrested for racially aggravated assault, which he was.

Your comments about the Tories are just stupid. The story was covered in the guardian and the independent, both left leaning papers, so it's a dumb point that you're trying to make.

And you've ****ed up the quote reply so now the whole thing is too arduous to read.

 

[Blueman]

John Terry is a ****

That is all

Not as much as you though eh Tobes?