Off Topic Adam Johnson gets six years

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Watford - we may not agree with my earlier comment - however, the victim and the impact of these events on her life appears to have been forgotten in all this. Johnson got off lightly, although considering what sentences Rolf Harris and Stuart Hall received it would appear to be a "normal custodial sentence" whether I agree with it or not.

It's not been forgotten at all. It's been constantly brought up throughout the case and sentencing.
 
Again, bringing in irrelevant factors because it's an emotive case.
Not all irrelevant:

he knew what he was doing,
Very relevant. 800 messages, warning her to delete them so they wouldn't be seen, arranging to meet in secret, offering her gifts - he knew very well what he was up to and why.
she was just a child.
Maybe not in some people's eyes, but the law says fifteen is a child, and he knew this. He also researched the age of consent, so he knew it was illegal. All highly relevant.
He earnt another 3 mill whilst lying to his employer before changing his plea at last minute thinking he would get away with it.
Whilst what he earned is irrelevant, the fact he lied to his employer before changing his plea shows a lack of remorse, which the judge remarked upon. So partly relevant.
Wonder how the innocent child in all this feels. Johnson should have known better.
Yes, he should have known better. Very relevant.
Wonder how he would feel if his offspring suffers the same thing his victim got.
Hopefully he will never find out. It's a question people are bound to ask, but shouldn't be relevant to the sentencing.
 
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The Judge had the remit to go up to 10 years so it may seem lenient. On a slightly different tangent, I have not seen any footballer current or ex comment on this.
Should we expect some public condemnation of sorts?
 
If we go down the route of "if it were my daughter" I'd like to think I'd instill a better moral compass in my 15 year old so she doesn' tthink bagging a footballer is the be all and end all of life and therefore ending up in a compromising position in the first place.......
 
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No matter what you think of both cases, Caroline berriman used her position to groom an underage boy and had sex with him over 50 times and received zero jail time. Doesn't detract from what Johnson did and he should rightfully be punished, but the sentence is harsh in my opinion.
 
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He groomed and therefore should go to prison. But as to length of sentence, the girl was 15 not 8. He is being made an example of, to deter others. He is not Rolf Harris - although if reports are right, he had some pretty dreadful stuff on his pc, and needs psychiatric attention imo.
 
No matter what you think of both cases, Caroline berriman used her position to groom an underage boy and had sex with him over 50 times and received zero jail time. Doesn't detract from what Johnson did and he should rightfully be punished, but the sentence is harsh in my opinion.
Apparently she was jailed for two years
 
No matter what you think of both cases, Caroline berriman used her position to groom an underage boy and had sex with him over 50 times and received zero jail time. Doesn't detract from what Johnson did and he should rightfully be punished, but the sentence is harsh in my opinion.

In Germany, Italy and other 'civilised' Western European countries, the age of consent is 14. Whether we, as Dads, like it or not many 15 year old girls are physically and emotionally capable of having sex. This is not really a case of Johnson abusing a minor against her will so, in that respect, 6 years is harsh. However, she's still a child and he's a man who should blatantly know better.

And for that reason.... nonce boy should be strung up by his bollox.
 
He groomed and therefore should go to prison. But as to length of sentence, the girl was 15 not 8. He is being made an example of, to deter others. He is not Rolf Harris - although if reports are right, he had some pretty dreadful stuff on his pc, and needs psychiatric attention imo.
Her age - until she reaches 16 - is irrelevant. He groomed a child with the intent to have sex. He had several sessions where sexual activity took place, and he was found guilty by a court of law. No mitigating circumstances, it really is that black and white.
 
In Germany, Italy and other 'civilised' Western European countries, the age of consent is 14. Whether we, as Dads, like it or not many 15 year old girls are physically and emotionally capable of having sex. This is not really a case of Johnson abusing a minor against her will so, in that respect, 6 years is harsh. However, she's still a child and he's a man who should blatantly know better.

And for that reason.... nonce boy should be strung up by his bollox.
I'm winging it here as all my children are boys, but I accept that 14/15 year olds are capable of having sex but are they equipped for the emotional aspect at that age?
 
Her age - until she reaches 16 - is irrelevant. He groomed a child with the intent to have sex. He had several sessions where sexual activity took place, and he was found guilty by a court of law. No mitigating circumstances, it really is that black and white.

The law differentiates between sexual offences perpetrated against a child under 13 and those against a child under 16. So it can make the same distinction when sentencing.
 
I'm winging it here as all my children are boys, but I accept that 14/15 year olds are capable of having sex but are they equipped for the emotional aspect at that age?
As the father of two teenage girls, I can assure you that they are not, no matter how much they may act as if they are. Neither would they be able to cope with that level of betrayal by their idol.
 
I'm winging it here as all my children are boys, but I accept that 14/15 year olds are capable of having sex but are they equipped for the emotional aspect at that age?

Well the Germans think so. Personally I think they're probably not mentally ready and 16 is more sensible but children these days are significantly more 'adult' in their behaviour than i was when i was 15 for some reason. Johnson's obviously an unpleasant wrong 'un but I don't subscribe to this 'he's an evil *****' argument.
 
As the father of two teenage girls, I can assure you that they are not, no matter how much they may act as if they are. Neither would they be able to cope with that level of betrayal by their idol.

But to be honest Chaz they're probably not mentally ready at 16 either.