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colognehornet said:
Nor anybody else's position for that matter

As you suggest we need to be sensible about these things. When I was a boy I can remember reading the Victor and the Valiant - and I can also remember playing warlike games and having toy soldiers (the enemies were always the Germans - strange to think were I ended up !). So maybe I should have been sent to a de radicalization centre (although SH. probably thinks that I should be now !). Boys will be boys - more serious would be if a boy suddenly started not speaking to, or not even acknowledging female teachers - as has happened to my wife on a few occasions, because this would suggest a radicalization coming from the parents.
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Cologne, you are definitely a suitable case for treatment:emoticon-0102-bigsm

When we lived near Toulouse we became friends with a super german couple that lived opposite. My daughter, being quite young at the time, was very fond of Wolfgang and Martina but having just watched the Sound of Music on video she was concerned when she became aware that they were actually german. Obviously these doubts soon passed. The International school in Toulouse, owned by airbus, was a great place for all to learn to mix with many different nationalities, especially to teach the young to become europhiles.

Despite the slurs of being called 'little englanders' it is perfectly natural to be a europhile, like myself, but want sovereignty for the UK.
 
colognehornet said:
Nor anybody else's position for that matter

As you suggest we need to be sensible about these things. When I was a boy I can remember reading the Victor and the Valiant - and I can also remember playing warlike games and having toy soldiers (the enemies were always the Germans - strange to think were I ended up !). So maybe I should have been sent to a de radicalization centre (although SH. probably thinks that I should be now !). Boys will be boys - more serious would be if a boy suddenly started not speaking to, or not even acknowledging female teachers - as has happened to my wife on a few occasions, because this would suggest a radicalization coming from the parents.
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Careful Cologne, you are straying close to the R line! I also think that culture has a big part to play, especially with some little boys. Again Mrs W_Y sees a lot of this type of behaviour, again little Asian boys can be difficult to "manage" - they can be very demanding when they come up against women who are not their mothers. So when the first arrive at 3 years old, they can be very challenging.
 
I worked with a L*t*n supporter many years ago.at the time they were continually beating us 1-0!

I considered reporting him to a de-radicalisation centre but they did not exist at the time. So I contented myself by pouring a bottle of water over his desk when we finally beat them 5-2. Sparks flew!
 
So Boris has come out and suggested that deals along the lines of the one between Canada and the EU is one that the UK could follow. So we now can look at an actual example and draw some conclusions.

Officials announced the launch of negotiations on 6 May 2009 at the Canada-EU Summit in Prague.
An agreement in principle was signed on the 18 October 2013.
The 1634 pages long agreement was published on 14 August 2014.
Completion, translation of the final text into 24 EU languages, and ratification is expected to take two years as it has to go through the EU Parliament, the EU Council and each of the members 28 own parliaments. This is still in process.
Some tariff barriers could be removed in 2017, while others will be removed over the next seven years.
The European Union is ratcheting up pressure on the Canadian government to scrap visa requirements on its citizens or have visas slapped on Canadians visiting much of Europe. 27/1/2016 (Canadian Embassy)
 
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oldfrenchhorn said:
So Boris has come out and suggested that deals along the lines of the one between Canada and the EU is one that the UK could follow. So we now can look at an actual example and draw some conclusions.

Officials announced the launch of negotiations on 6 May 2009 at the Canada-EU Summit in Prague.
An agreement in principle was signed on the 18 October 2013.
The 1634 pages long agreement was published on 14 August 2014.
Completion, translation of the final text into 24 EU languages, and ratification is expected to take two years as it has to go through the EU Parliament, the EU Council and each of the members 28 own parliaments. This is still in process.
Some tariff barriers could be removed in 2017, while others will be removed over the next seven years.
The European Union is ratcheting up pressure on the Canadian government to scrap visa requirements on its citizens or have visas slapped on Canadians visiting much of Europe. 27/1/2016 (Canadian Embassy)
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You seem to have missed Boris's best quote when asked if he agreed with the Archbishop of Canterbury's remarks that 'fear is justified' over mass migration, he replied "prayer is all that's going to be left if we don't leave on June 23"
 
superhorns said:
You seem to have missed Boris's best quote when asked if he agreed with the Archbishop of Canterbury's remarks that 'fear is justified' over mass migration, he replied "prayer is all that's going to be left if we don't leave on June 23"
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Would you like to make a comment on the facts presented above?
 
Really? So are you saying that Boris should not have said this was a good example of how the UK could proceed? I know he has been caught out rather too often of late, but at least he tried to make a case.
 
oldfrenchhorn said:
Really? So are you saying that Boris should not have said this was a good example of how the UK could proceed? I know he has been caught out rather too often of late, but at least he tried to make a case.
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Influential major exporters in Germany and France will pressurise their respective governments to negotiate a mutually acceptable and seamless trade deal with the UK. Anything else is most unlikely. You have no evidence that a Canadian style deal could not be implemented in a reasonable timeframe, they only have to reproduce the present rules.

The Brexit group had a further boost today when the head of the Conservative group of MEPs in the European parliament, Syed Kamall, said he believes the UK could forge a better life outside the EU 'and a'fair and balanced immigration policy was only possible outside the EU'.
 
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Would you like to explain then when Boris talked about reproducing the Canadian deal rather than your idea? As I said he tried to make a proper case, not just some hopeful guesses.
 
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oldfrenchhorn said:
Would you like to explain then when Boris talked about reproducing the Canadian deal rather than your idea? As I said he tried to make a proper case, not just some hopeful guesses.
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Can you imagine tens of thousands of Merc's, BMW's and Audi's rusting in Calais waiting for a deal? The rubbish french cars would not last the winter!!
 
superhorns said:
Can you imagine tens of thousands of Merc's, BMW's and Audi's rusting in Calais waiting for a deal? The rubbish french cars would not last the winter!!
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Once again you show that you cannot provide a direct answer. Although you are correct that BMW does export more completed cars to the UK than the other way, 57,000, there are 140,000 engines that go the other way. Regarding Calais, the Regional director has said that he will give six months notice as required under the Le Touquet agreement to remove UK border force officials and the French government minister has agreed that it would be very difficult legally to keep it on French soil.
 
superhorns said:
Influential major exporters in Germany and France will pressurise their respective governments to negotiate a mutually acceptable and seamless trade deal with the UK. Anything else is most unlikely. You have no evidence that a Canadian style deal could not be implemented in a reasonable timeframe, they only have to reproduce the present rules.

The Brexit group had a further boost today when the head of the Conservative group of MEPs in the European parliament, Syed Kamall, said he believes the UK could forge a better life outside the EU 'and a'fair and balanced immigration policy was only possible outside the EU'.
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Good reply.

The idea that the EU would make it difficult for us to trade is total nonsense and fear mongering, all it takes is a quick look at the current fragile state of the eurozone economies to see they wouldn't risk a bad deal with the U.K. We would become the EUs single largest trade partner upon pulling out and the EU are trying all kinds of monetary tricks to try and keep the economy from going into deflation already. Now is the perfect time for us to pull out as we have the leverage not the other way round.
 
oldfrenchhorn said:
Once again you show that you cannot provide a direct answer. Although you are correct that BMW does export more completed cars to the UK than the other way, 57,000, there are 140,000 engines that go the other way. Regarding Calais, the Regional director has said that he will give six months notice as required under the Le Touquet agreement to remove UK border force officials and the French government minister has agreed that it would be very difficult legally to keep it on French soil.
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Any illegal migrants arriving at Dover will be returned to France, it is then up to France to follow its own rules by returning them to the point of entry into the failed Schengen Area. The french only obey rules that benefit them.

The actual government minister responsible for the migrants has also denied the above.

You are becoming increasingly desperate with your 'scares'. Try to find one that actually makes some sense.
 
superhorns said:
Any illegal migrants arriving at Dover will be returned to France, it is then up to France to follow its own rules by returning them to the point of entry into the failed Schengen Area. The french only obey rules that benefit them.

The actual government minister responsible for the migrants has also denied the above.

You are becoming increasingly desperate with your 'scares'. Try to find one that actually makes some sense.
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Would you like to name the government minster and what he said and when?
 
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afcftw said:
Good reply.

The idea that the EU would make it difficult for us to trade is total nonsense and fear mongering, all it takes is a quick look at the current fragile state of the eurozone economies to see they wouldn't risk a bad deal with the U.K. We would become the EUs single largest trade partner upon pulling out and the EU are trying all kinds of monetary tricks to try and keep the economy from going into deflation already. Now is the perfect time for us to pull out as we have the leverage not the other way round.
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The ECB has just used the last desperate surprise 'kitchen sink' package of cutting interest rates to zero and expands QE. The markets were not impressed.
 
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