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Should the UK remain a part of the EU or leave?

  • Stay in

    Votes: 56 47.9%

  • Get out

    Votes: 61 52.1%
  • Total voters
    117
  • Poll closed .
sb_73 said:
As you know I get and respect your views on sovereignty Col. But the EU doesn't work like that, all the laws have to be ratified both by the European Parliament, which you can cast a gote for, and by representatives of the member states in the Council of Ministers, which will include someone subject to election in the UK.

You can could still argue that it's too far away from home, but where does that argument stop? I could make a case for sovereignty for Warwickshire, Leamington Spa or my house on those grounds. And I might still be unhappy when my dog ends up as Prime Minister.

All units and sub units of government are made up. I'd be happy to cede sovereignty of our island to a genuine, representative European Government or even a Global one, if it would make the world a better place.
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I refer you to Goldie's post ([HASHTAG]#248[/HASHTAG]).

I shouldn't have jumped in, as we all end up saying the same thing over and over. I don't like the idea of a European super-state. From what you have just posted, you are in favour of it. As it happens, I would probably vote for English independence too, although I quite like the Union, England often gets a raw deal imo.

I believe that, if I vote to leave the EU and Brexit wins, we will be further away from ever having to be part of such a thing.
 
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Chaz said:
As I said - your idea of what sovereignty means doesn't match reality...
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In your opinion.
My idea of sovereignty doesn't match your idea of sovereignty, in much the same way that I'm pretty sure my idea of religion doesn't match your idea of religion. We have different opinions.

Try to get your head around this concept.
 
rangercol said:
I refer you to Goldie's post ([HASHTAG]#248[/HASHTAG]).

I shouldn't have jumped in, as we all end up saying the same thing over and over. I don't like the idea of a European super-state. From what you have just posted, you are in favour of it. As it happens, I would probably vote for English independence too, although I quite like the Union, England often gets a raw deal imo.

I believe that, if I vote to leave the EU and Brexit wins, we will be further away from ever having to be part of such a thing.
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In principle I would be in favour of a United States of Europe if I thought it would deliver benefits across Europe and beyond. Not convinced that is the case at the moment. Still not convinced that the UK is the right fit for the EU, and this campaign isn't helping. It's a tallest dwarf competition at the moment.
 
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rangercol said:
In your opinion.
My idea of sovereignty doesn't match your idea of sovereignty, in much the same way that I'm pretty sure my idea of religion doesn't match your idea of religion. We have different opinions.

Try to get your head around this concept.
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OK - without the need to get all arsey about it - explain to me what you believe sovereignty actually means, and how being an ex-member of the EU is going to make that any more a reality than it is now.
 
cor blymie said:
that your own Government has the ultimate say in it's own destiny, not by un-elected nonentities
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But the EU representatives ARE elected - just not all by the UK. Nobody is an MEP without being elected to the job. Next?
 
Chaz said:
OK - without the need to get all arsey about it - explain to me what you believe sovereignty actually means, and how being an ex-member of the EU is going to make that any more a reality than it is now.
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I refer you to Goldie's post ([HASHTAG]#248[/HASHTAG]).
 
sb_73 said:
In principle I would be in favour of a United States of Europe if I thought it would deliver benefits across Europe and beyond. Not convinced that is the case at the moment. Still not convinced that the UK is the right fit for the EU, and this campaign isn't helping. It's a tallest dwarf competition at the moment.
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You only need to look at the history of the Countries in the EU prior to its formation, full of major catastrophic wars, compared to the relatively peaceful times since, to see that it has delivered the greatest benefit it could ever give Europe, Peace. That huge improvement in Europe is mirrored globally.
 
cor blymie said:
I never voted any of them, in fact in the words of Nigel ''who are you, nobody has heard of you'. Next
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If you don't vote in the EU Elections, you should forfeit your right to complain about the EU. I think I need to talk to someone who actually engages in the process now, not someone who sits on his hands and whines....
 
rangercol said:
Treaties, trade agreements etc do not damage sovereignty. Un-elected bureaucrats from abroad, making laws for my Country does.
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Crux of the matter really, forget about trade, immigration, etc it will come down to the people of this country deciding if they would be better off determining the future direction and identity of THEIR country or ceding control to foreign powers, France & Germany in effect.
 
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Chaz said:
You couldn't say yourself, could you? Tells me all I needed to know.
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Chaz you really are quite painful.
I COULD have written exactly the same as Goldie, but it was easier to refer you to what he posted.
You just can't stand anyone having a different opinion to you can you?
 
rangercol said:
Chaz you really are quite painful.
I COULD have written exactly the same as Goldie, but it was easier to refer you to what he posted.
You just can't stand anyone having a different opinion to you can you?
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You could have told me what YOU thought, not just picked someone else's brain. I was after YOUR opinion, not his. I still have no clue what YOU think.
 
QPR Oslo said:
You only need to look at the history of the Countries in the EU prior to its formation, full of major catastrophic wars, compared to the relatively peaceful times since, to see that it has delivered the greatest benefit it could ever give Europe, Peace. That huge improvement in Europe is mirrored globally.
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The Common Market delivered peace. Expanding the EU exponentially and forcing through political union risks losing it
 
Chaz said:
You could have told me what YOU thought, not just picked someone else's brain. I was after YOUR opinion, not his. I still have no clue what YOU think.
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Bloody hell, mate. I replied to your post minutes after you put it up, because it was clear you didn't understand what sovereignty was at stake. I didn't give Col a chance to reply first, and in hindsight, it was my mistake, I should have
 
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GoldhawkRd said:
The Common Market delivered peace. Expanding the EU exponentially and forcing through political union risks losing it
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But it's been expanding for decades and we still have Peace within. The UK should Stay in, help preserve Peace, and work to make it better for all imo.
 
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