Staggering Hypocrisy in Moderating Posts

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Firstly Medro. I do not believe the term hun is sectarian. It never has been and never will be. It is Rangers fans trying to find something to pretend to be offended about. It didnt bother them for decades but all of a sudden rangers fans appalling behaviour is in the spot light and now it does. Its just nonsense and I am not buying it.

Secondly I completely agree with you that dodgy Celtic singing should be highlighted but it really is rich for that highlighting to be done by a rangers fan. The media here do not tell you what actually goes on (for 2 reasons those being they are somewhat inclined to favour Rangers and they don't want to affect their circulation but you should see what they say about Rangers in the English papers, its not pretty!),and i suspect that many Rangers fans think that there is lots of offensive singing at Celtic park every other week. I have news for you, there is not. It has died a death and if you are lucky (or unlucky) you might get a feeble 7 second version of the soldiers song.Now compare that to Ibrox where tens of thousands spew their bigotted racist bile every other week not to mention the hooliganism and vile behaviour abroad.

The display of Rangers fans at the league cup final was the most shameful I have ever seen.Celtic fans, in the main, and in stark contrast,want to have fun. Even at the Scottish cup final replay confronted by racist and bigotted tirades lasting nearly 90 minutes the Celtic fans sang and had fun without rising to the bait.I know as I was there.

I agree that the Celtic away fans have issues to be addressed but the idea celtic fans are even in the same ball park as your lot is beyond ludicrous and i come for a proddy background! And you should not confuse politics, no matter how much you disagree with them, to singing about hating people because of their religion and race.

It will be interesting to see the arrest figures if a new law is passed on sectarianism in scotland. Iwould bet my house that the number of rangers fans arrested will be significantly higher than celtic fans arrested.
 
Rangers fans used to call Celtic fans "Huns". "They used to sing Go home ya Huns".

Did they stop singing it when they realised that Hun meant Prod?

I'm confused.
 
Fraziel said:
It will be interesting to see the arrest figures if a new law is passed on sectarianism in scotland. Iwould bet my house that the number of rangers fans arrested will be significantly higher than celtic fans arrested.
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I wouldn't
 
RebelBhoy said:
I wouldn't
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Assuming that the Police are no longer jam packed with orangemen and masons there will be. I think the Police have sorted themselves out a bit since the bad old days of the 70's and 80's and are more even handed than they used to be.
 
DevAdvocate said:
Rangers fans used to call Celtic fans "Huns". "They used to sing Go home ya Huns".

Did they stop singing it when they realised that Hun meant Prod?

I'm confused.
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me too as i always thought hun was just a term for a Rangers fan. I have never heard it used to anyone , protestant or otherwise, other than rangers fans. Who decided it meant prod? The Rangers fans when they decided to have a sit down and think of something to be offended about?
 
Fraziel said:
Assuming that the Police are no longer jam packed with orangemen and masons there will be. I think the Police have sorted themselves out a bit since the bad old days of the 70's and 80's and are more even handed than they used to be.
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It isn't about that, it is about the legislation coming in that can hammer you or I for "offensive" behaviour. "Offensive" to a reasonable person. The legislation also covers sectarian behaviour, something I do not believe we have a problem with. Both us and the Huns support will get hammered under the exact same legislation and hey presto, one side is as bad as the other.

It is complete bullshit.
 
RebelBhoy said:
It isn't about that, it is about the legislation coming in that can hammer you or I for "offensive" behaviour. "Offensive" to a reasonable person. The legislation also covers sectarian behaviour, something I do not believe we have a problem with. Both us and the Huns support will get hammered under the exact same legislation and hey presto, one side is as bad as the other.

It is complete bullshit.
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I agree it is and i suspect the bill will be complete nonsense, especially with Roseanna Cunningham involved. She has shown she is
bloody clueless. " Crossing yourself in an aggressive manner" indeed. It sounds like something from a Dave Allen sketch.

I am an atheist but if people want to cross themselves then they should be allowed to and the only people upset will be bigots, and we should not pander to them. She has completely missed the point as any bill should be about educating people and changing attitudes rather than banning things that upset bigots or racists and leaving people with the same unchanged intolerant unacceptable views. It is utterly ludicrous.

Still, it will cause a lot more problems for Rangers fans than it will for us. They will have nothing left to sing.
 
Fraziel said:
Firstly Medro. I do not believe the term hun is sectarian. It never has been and never will be. It is Rangers fans trying to find something to pretend to be offended about. It didnt bother them for decades but all of a sudden rangers fans appalling behaviour is in the spot light and now it does. Its just nonsense and I am not buying it.
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You may try and claim ignorance and say that it's not in Scotland, like many have on here, but we have agreed that it is a derogartory name for a member of the protestant/unionist community in Northern Ireland. There is no denying that.

Fraziel said:
Secondly I completely agree with you that dodgy Celtic singing should be highlighted but it really is rich for that highlighting to be done by a rangers fan.
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So in that case, it should go both ways and when Rangers fans sing inappropriate songs, then Celtic fans should all button it?

Fraziel said:
The media here do not tell you what actually goes on (for 2 reasons those being they are somewhat inclined to favour Rangers and they don't want to affect their circulation but you should see what they say about Rangers in the English papers, its not pretty!)
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Tinfoil hat briagde. You think all the English papers say glowing things about Celtic?<ok>

Fraziel said:
and i suspect that many Rangers fans think that there is lots of offensive singing at Celtic park every other week. I have news for you, there is not. It has died a death and if you are lucky (or unlucky) you might get a feeble 7 second version of the soldiers song.Now compare that to Ibrox where tens of thousands spew their bigotted racist bile every other week not to mention the hooliganism and vile behaviour abroad.
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There you go, a lovely piece of fiction. You say that the singing doesn't happen every week at Celtic but it does at Rangers. I used to be a Rangers season ticket holder and I can tell you that statement is BOLLOCKS! They majority of sectarian singing at BOTH Rangers and Celtic is away games, wheere the neds know they can usually get away with it. Can you elaborate on "vile behaviour abroad?"

Fraziel said:
The display of Rangers fans at the league cup final was the most shameful I have ever seen.Celtic fans, in the main, and in stark contrast,want to have fun. Even at the Scottish cup final replay confronted by racist and bigotted tirades lasting nearly 90 minutes the Celtic fans sang and had fun without rising to the bait.I know as I was there.
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Poor ol bhoys, just want to have fun. Poppy protests, IRA singing, battering stewards, fighting with the police, street fights with opposing fans at friendly games, most arrests in Scottish football for the past 2 seasons. Yeah you lot just want to have fun.

Fraziel said:
I agree that the Celtic away fans have issues to be addressed but the idea celtic fans are even in the same ball park as your lot is beyond ludicrous and i come for a proddy background! And you should not confuse politics, no matter how much you disagree with them, to singing about hating people because of their religion and race.
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What about the whole Celtic Park crowd calling Walter Smith an Orange Bastard in your 3-0 win against us? I take it that was just a bit of craic? The thing is the majority of Rangers fans know about the problems we have within our support, Celtic fans seem to think their fans are a whole lot better. They aren't.

Fraziel said:
It will be interesting to see the arrest figures if a new law is passed on sectarianism in scotland. Iwould bet my house that the number of rangers fans arrested will be significantly higher than celtic fans arrested.
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I'll have to find the source but as far as I'm aware Celtic have had the most arrests in the past 2 seasons.
 
Sadly, we live in an era where politicians think they can solve all of society's problems through legislation. Whether it be the smoking ban or the SNP's desperation to introduce minimum alcohol pricing the answer is always a short term one that does little to solve the problem and does more to inconvenient those that are not responsible for the problem in the first place.

For example, alcoholics aren't going to stop drinking just because the price goes up but it means that responsible drinkers will be paying more despite them not having a problem.

The same will be true of the Bigotry Bill. The father who passes on his bigoted beliefs to his son will avoid all punishment while someone who gets carried away at an OF game and shouts something like "taig/orange bastard" will end up getting arrested and charged despite it just being a one-off moment of stupidity.
 
Medro Pendes said:
You may try and claim ignorance and say that it's not in Scotland, like many have on here, but we have agreed that it is a derogartory name for a member of the protestant/unionist community in Northern Ireland. There is no denying that.



So in that case, it should go both ways and when Rangers fans sing inappropriate songs, then Celtic fans should all button it?



Tinfoil hat briagde. You think all the English papers say glowing things about Celtic?<ok>



There you go, a lovely piece of fiction. You say that the singing doesn't happen every week at Celtic but it does at Rangers. I used to be a Rangers season ticket holder and I can tell you that statement is BOLLOCKS! They majority of sectarian singing at BOTH Rangers and Celtic is away games, wheere the neds know they can usually get away with it. Can you elaborate on "vile behaviour abroad?"



Poor ol bhoys, just want to have fun. Poppy protests, IRA singing, battering stewards, fighting with the police, street fights with opposing fans at friendly games, most arrests in Scottish football for the past 2 seasons. Yeah you lot just want to have fun.



What about the whole Celtic Park crowd calling Walter Smith an Orange Bastard in your 3-0 win against us? I take it that was just a bit of craic? The thing is the majority of Rangers fans know about the problems we have within our support, Celtic fans seem to think their fans are a whole lot better. They aren't.



I'll have to find the source but as far as I'm aware Celtic have had the most arrests in the past 2 seasons.
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great, a new person to beat you in arguments you have lost a hundred times.
 
See when rangers fans used to call Celtic fans huns...was it because Celtic fans were NI Protestants

Why would it be about NI Pros love for a German Queen when they love a Dutch King more

Is it maybe because NI pros are all rangers fans hence why they get called the name?
 
"but we have agreed that it is a derogartory name for a member of the protestant/unionist community in Northern Ireland. There is no denying that".

Who is we Medro? I certainly never agreed that it was, we only have your say so......................again.
 
Mind The Step said:
See when rangers fans used to call Celtic fans huns...was it because Celtic fans were NI Protestants

Why would it be about NI Pros love for a German Queen when they love a Dutch King more

Is it maybe because NI pros are all rangers fans hence why they get called the name?
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No idea why Celtic fans were called it before?

I was told that before by nationalist and why he thought people called protestants/unionists huns.

I don't think all N.I prods are Rangers supporters. That is a bit of a generalisation.

DevAdvocate said:
"but we have agreed that it is a derogartory name for a member of the protestant/unionist community in Northern Ireland. There is no denying that".

Who is we Medro? I certainly never agreed that it was, we only have your say so......................again.
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The people on here from Northern Ireland.<doh>
 
Medro Pendes said:
No idea why Celtic fans were called it before?

I was told that before by nationalist and why he thought people called protestants/unionists huns.

I don't think all N.I prods are Rangers supporters. That is a bit of a generalisation.



The people on here from Northern Ireland.<doh>
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In other words you, and that's just your opinion.
 
Medro Pendes said:
No idea why Celtic fans were called it before?

I was told that before by nationalist and why he thought people called protestants/unionists huns.
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It's utter nonsense, both sets of fans of the OF used to call each other Huns, Rangers fans stopped using the term but the habit continued and Celtic fans to this day still use the term as Rangers fans did in the past. It is only in the last few years when some have taken a real dislike to the word and have attempted to class it as sectarian, it simply never was and never will be despite your repeated claims to the contrary backed up with NO EVIDENCE whatsoever.
 
StereoTypist said:
In other words you, and that's just your opinion.
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CiarinArdoynian, Rebelbhoy etc are all from Northern Ireland too.

DevAdvocate said:
It's utter nonsense, both sets of fans of the OF used to call each other Huns, Rangers fans stopped using the term but the habit continued and Celtic fans to this day still use the term as Rangers fans did in the past. It is only in the last few years when some have taken a real dislike to the word and have attempted to class it as sectarian, it simply never was and never will be despite your repeated claims to the contrary backed up with NO EVIDENCE whatsoever.
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Jesus.<doh>

In Northern Ireland the word hun is used to label a member of the protestant/unionist community. That is common knowledge.
http://www.guardian.co.uk/commentisfree/2007/may/13/comment.politics
 
Medro Pendes said:
No idea why Celtic fans were called it before?

I was told that before by nationalist and why he thought people called protestants/unionists huns.

I don't think all N.I prods are Rangers supporters. That is a bit of a generalisation.



The people on here from Northern Ireland.<doh>
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Who?

Not me thats for sure
 
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