Why is experimenting being mentioned. The definition of experimenting is to determine the efficacy of something previously untried. Beth if you think playing Perch, Konshesky, Henry/Toszer, Mackie and loaning out Furlong, Yun,Doughty etc without even giving them any opportunities falls under this remit then I bow to your superior knowledge of the English dictionary
Match Day Thread BOLTON - QPR
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You may be sore and annoyed. But since when did stating that you are prepared to give a manager a decent chance mean that you are 'happy and clap' at the current performances? If you are going to condemn us at least get your facts right. Most on here who have been on JFH's case have been so since before his appointment. Some days reading the forum is like watching Graham Norton's twitchy hand when someone gets into the big red chair.
Where's that pickling jar you're so fond of? Time to chop off your head and drop it in.
Looking in from afar, there seems to be a lot in-fighting on this forum happening at present.
None of us are happy with our current situation but hey, lets stick together.
None of us are happy with our current situation but hey, lets stick together.
I don't see it as in-fighting Aussie. I just think there are two separate groups developing. The first group is disgruntled as the quality of football/entertainment being served up and they are also looking over their shoulders at the bottom 3. This group are also concerned at how the club is and has been run by the board.
The second group are eternal optimists who think if we string a few results together, we might reach the play offs. If we do that, we might get back to the Premier League next season.
Compared to some of the rows we had on here a couple of years back, these little exchanges are harmless and to my mind, they are good for the board.
The second group are eternal optimists who think if we string a few results together, we might reach the play offs. If we do that, we might get back to the Premier League next season.
Compared to some of the rows we had on here a couple of years back, these little exchanges are harmless and to my mind, they are good for the board.
Why do some think Bolton had more to play for
Does none of the QPR players have any personal pride in there own performance
Are they only really here for the money
We also need to get over Warnock
For whatever reason he is not our manager
Had he really wanted the job I am sure he would of fought for it
That's it
I am off to start an adel thread
Does none of the QPR players have any personal pride in there own performance
Are they only really here for the money
We also need to get over Warnock
For whatever reason he is not our manager
Had he really wanted the job I am sure he would of fought for it
That's it
I am off to start an adel thread
Agree with that, but one or two may become good enough and we could strengthen with proven quality Championship players before next season.
You left out the realists who think If we string a few results together we will avoid relegation.
I have a feeling that I may actually be more of a realist.....wanting to stick with JFH and develope a team, than those who want to get rid of him, get some new wonderkid in...who will spend more money, take more time to establish his team...and then probably do no better...
I am no happy clapper, I fully understand that we are not very good.....but I also understand much more than some that we do not have an almighty right to go to Bolton and win....just because we are the massive QPR.
I also will not throw a coin at our own players because I am annoyed at them
I am no happy clapper, I fully understand that we are not very good.....but I also understand much more than some that we do not have an almighty right to go to Bolton and win....just because we are the massive QPR.
I also will not throw a coin at our own players because I am annoyed at them
we don't have an almighty right
but we should have a good expectation of beating the team at the bottom of the table
but we should have a good expectation of beating the team at the bottom of the table
Spot on , it's all about difference of opinion and comparing notes . I for one am really disappointed with jfh , the team spirit , energy and tenacity to win seems so low . I know he's stuck with previous managers players but I havnt seen any change , I think we played with more grit with Ramsey and that's saying something !
I've said this before on another thread, but I think its worth repeating
Many of us spend an enormous proportion of our time and money following our team, both at home and away. We also invest - rightly or wrongly - a lot of emotion in the club (who's weekend has never been spoiled or lifted by a particular result on Saturday?)
I fully appreciate that ultimately all those who are employees of the club are ultimately there because, very largely, of one element - they are being paid to be there. They may only be there because the club pays them more than they can earn elsewhere. Of course a few maybe there because they love the club, though I suspect that certainly amongst the playing staff they are in the minority
However, what I, other supporters and the club (as the employer) should expect is that the employees should be doing their best for the club during there time there
We have certainly seen plenty of evidence of this over my time as a supporter, even at times when the results haven't been great
However, at present there seems to be an affliction of lethargy affecting many of the players and performances. I can't explain it and I don't know the internal machinations at the club (some on here seem convinced they do). But the club needs to get it sorted before the malaise really starts seriously draining supporter attendance (I commented above at my surprise at our following at Bolton yesterday; our away followings frequently put clubs like Fulham and Charlton to shame) both home and away
It has already drained much of the passion amongst supporters at games home and away. The atmosphere at Bolton was very flat - the weather didn't help, but ultimately it was the woeful, passionless performance on the pitch that was the root cause
So, what am I trying to say? That ultimately I want players who demonstrably care about what they do. I'm even willing to accept results that may not be as good so long as I see that commitment and passion on the pitch
Oddly, and this may not please everyone on here, one of the few bright spots yesterday was a series of big challenges leading to Henry's yellow card and handbags shoving match with a Bolton player.
Moan over - I'll see everyone at HQ on Saturday!
Many of us spend an enormous proportion of our time and money following our team, both at home and away. We also invest - rightly or wrongly - a lot of emotion in the club (who's weekend has never been spoiled or lifted by a particular result on Saturday?)
I fully appreciate that ultimately all those who are employees of the club are ultimately there because, very largely, of one element - they are being paid to be there. They may only be there because the club pays them more than they can earn elsewhere. Of course a few maybe there because they love the club, though I suspect that certainly amongst the playing staff they are in the minority
However, what I, other supporters and the club (as the employer) should expect is that the employees should be doing their best for the club during there time there
We have certainly seen plenty of evidence of this over my time as a supporter, even at times when the results haven't been great
However, at present there seems to be an affliction of lethargy affecting many of the players and performances. I can't explain it and I don't know the internal machinations at the club (some on here seem convinced they do). But the club needs to get it sorted before the malaise really starts seriously draining supporter attendance (I commented above at my surprise at our following at Bolton yesterday; our away followings frequently put clubs like Fulham and Charlton to shame) both home and away
It has already drained much of the passion amongst supporters at games home and away. The atmosphere at Bolton was very flat - the weather didn't help, but ultimately it was the woeful, passionless performance on the pitch that was the root cause
So, what am I trying to say? That ultimately I want players who demonstrably care about what they do. I'm even willing to accept results that may not be as good so long as I see that commitment and passion on the pitch
Oddly, and this may not please everyone on here, one of the few bright spots yesterday was a series of big challenges leading to Henry's yellow card and handbags shoving match with a Bolton player.
Moan over - I'll see everyone at HQ on Saturday!
We need to plan ahead...
I think we should identify three managers for next season, with agreed contracts to enable easy handovers after sacking. I think maybe16 games each would be fair with the first two getting paid less (as they would have a transfer budget), and the third a bonus for keeping us up.
Oh hold on... we've been doing that for the last few years!
Sign of madness "doing the same thing over and over again and expecting different results"
And some are actually advocating we keep doing it
I think we should identify three managers for next season, with agreed contracts to enable easy handovers after sacking. I think maybe16 games each would be fair with the first two getting paid less (as they would have a transfer budget), and the third a bonus for keeping us up.
Oh hold on... we've been doing that for the last few years!
Sign of madness "doing the same thing over and over again and expecting different results"
And some are actually advocating we keep doing it
So if you are not a happy clapper you don't need to go on about it, because it doesn't refer to you?
My point is that whenever you comment on JFH you get certain posters making excuses for him.
We got rid of Benny because the board wanted promotion. That is fact.
JFH is not going to get us promotion (again a fact but if i said it, the happy clappers would argue). so let's say realistically.
The football under JFH has been poor and i cannot remember a good game. (he even says it himself). That is fact.
The lack of organisation and commitment against Fulham was shocking. Again fact.
He has won 2 in 14 games. not good enough. Fact.
He shouldn't be given a pre-season because again it will be a wasted season. He is not good enough to get QPR promoted and once again the club has cocked it up. Like Benny/Warnock/JFH they keep making mistakes, (Warnock should have stayed).
As a paying supporter who goes to most games, i have a right to vent my views and if people don't like it, they shouldn't reply. However, we do have happy clappers who won't hear a bad word said about JFH.
Not everything you say Ellers is a fact
We got rid of Benny because the board wanted promotion. That is fact.
THAT FACT IS BASED ON ONE TWEET BY TF
JFH is not going to get us promotion (again a fact but if i said it, the happy clappers would argue). so let's say realistically.
AGREED NOT THIS HALF SEASON HE HAS JUST HAD, BUT HOW CAN YOU BE CERTAIN NEXT SEASON
The football under JFH has been poor and i cannot remember a good game. (he even says it himself). That is fact.
I REMEMBER BRIGHTON AND ROTHERHAM...I AM TOLD AWAY AT FOREST WE WERE VERY COMPETENT
The lack of organisation and commitment against Fulham was shocking. Again fact.
THAT IS A FACT BECAUSE I SAW IT WITH MY OWN EYES TOO
He has won 2 in 14 games. not good enough. Fact.
FOR THE HAPPY CLAPPERS...HE HAS LOST 4 IN 14, WE ARE CURRENTLY 12th
PS...NOT SHOUTING...JUST SHOWING MY RESPONSES...SORRY
We got rid of Benny because the board wanted promotion. That is fact.
THAT FACT IS BASED ON ONE TWEET BY TF
JFH is not going to get us promotion (again a fact but if i said it, the happy clappers would argue). so let's say realistically.
AGREED NOT THIS HALF SEASON HE HAS JUST HAD, BUT HOW CAN YOU BE CERTAIN NEXT SEASON
The football under JFH has been poor and i cannot remember a good game. (he even says it himself). That is fact.
I REMEMBER BRIGHTON AND ROTHERHAM...I AM TOLD AWAY AT FOREST WE WERE VERY COMPETENT
The lack of organisation and commitment against Fulham was shocking. Again fact.
THAT IS A FACT BECAUSE I SAW IT WITH MY OWN EYES TOO
He has won 2 in 14 games. not good enough. Fact.
FOR THE HAPPY CLAPPERS...HE HAS LOST 4 IN 14, WE ARE CURRENTLY 12th
PS...NOT SHOUTING...JUST SHOWING MY RESPONSES...SORRY
So I'm not entitled to comment because your veiled criticism is not directed at me? Sorry that's not your get out of gaol card. Let me make it simpler for you. Who are the happy clappers who rejoice and praise the Lord that we are playing so well and, I suspect, more importantly in your case, that we are thankful to have JFH. If you want to shame them, name them openly so that they can defend themselves Alternatively the simpler option is to simply accept that you are wrong to condemn those who don't agree with you as happy clappers.
No manager with any serious ability and pedigree would come here because it's clearly a poisoned chalice.
Hasselbaink hasn't started well but his track record is enough for me to believe he'll be better for us than whichever old fud we'd end up with should he be sacked. Pearson would be nuts to take the job unless we were throwing serious money at it which seems unlikely. We'd probably end up with Sherwood, a fate worse than death.
Hasselbaink hasn't started well but his track record is enough for me to believe he'll be better for us than whichever old fud we'd end up with should he be sacked. Pearson would be nuts to take the job unless we were throwing serious money at it which seems unlikely. We'd probably end up with Sherwood, a fate worse than death.
We have no God given right to be challenging for promotion next season in fact it's an odd assumption to think we will be anywhere close. We need some realism we are very much in a new austere era for QPR and our cloth will be cut accordingly. Our club is now seen as a bit of a joke and getting rid of JFH now or at the season's end will compound this. I'm not happy with how things are panning out on the field but like it or not this sort of lull happens to lots of teams when there isn't a great deal to play for. Next season will be a genuine new era with the final big earners off loaded and one way or another a new look to the side.
Well said. However graft alone is never enough. Just consider the legions on here who can't stand Jamie Mackie and Sebastian Polter. Did the Board not implode last week when the two were paired up to start against Fulham? Clearly we need a balance. There is a place in any team for a playmaker and/or a forward who has the intelligence to unlock a defence. However there is an obsessive belief among managers and most fans (we are no exception) that a playmaker who will create chances or score in almost every game does not make a valuable contribution if he does not also tackle, win balls, track back, mark his opposite number and defend when we don't have the ball.