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Should the UK remain a part of the EU or leave?

  • Stay in

    Votes: 56 47.9%

  • Get out

    Votes: 61 52.1%
  • Total voters
    117
  • Poll closed .
sb_73 said:
Well to be accurate, calling it as you see it. One of the joys of atheism is that there is no claim to access to absolute and static truth, because there will always be new things to discover that will change our understanding of the universe. Like 'gravitational waves' from a billion years ago.
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If you are an atheist, 'always' isn't for you...
 
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TWGWTDT said:
I sit firmly with the creator because as a former R&D scientist in big pharma I can tell you we don't know the half of it ... In fact we don't even know the half of a half on 0.00001 per cent of it

I will never believe that science has the answers
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Give it time Dave. We know virtually nothing, but we still know a hell of a lot more than we did 10 years ago, and an incredible amount more than we did 1,000 years ago. 95% of all the data in the world was created in the last 5 years. Some things we may never understand because we are just not capable or clever enough to understand it, but that does not imply that there was a creator, just that we are limited. After all, we are only the cleverest ape on the planet, nothing special.
 
sb_73 said:
Give it time Dave. We know virtually nothing, but we still know a hell of a lot more than we did 10 years ago, and an incredible amount more than we did 1,000 years ago. 95% of all the data in the world was created in the last 5 years. Some things we may never understand because we are just not capable or clever enough to understand it, but that does not imply that there was a creator, just that we are limited. After all, we are only the cleverest ape on the planet, nothing special.
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Once we can comprehend infinity, we'll be making advances

If Planet Earth was a grain of sand in the Sahara, and our sun was another grain close by, there's stuff going on in the Australia equivalent - and that scrambles my brain
 
sb_73 said:
No, because sexual orientation, ethnicity, gingerness, height etc are not choices, they are things you can't change. Though of course if the discussion is about race, it would be useful to know the race of the people talking. Politics and religion are things you choose, they are beliefs. And if you can't discuss beliefs you live in a totalitarian society. Though of course some people are simply brainwashed into particular beliefs from childhood through their families and the societies they live in, and even as adults are too scared to voice dissension, with justification.

I said (twice) that it would be interesting to know the views of reporters/presenters, not that I was demanding it or that it exclude them from commenting or reporting on anything they want. Is that clear? Why are you so wound up by this, because I used a devout Christian as an example?
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I know full well you know this but to explore a point further a persons religion isn't usually their choice which is part of the problem, find it amazing that people are convinced their religion is right the same religion that was pushed on them as fact, from a young age, and is usually prominent within their community. Just lucky I guess that they were born into a family and geographic area (not always I know) where, for example, Christianity is prominent. Must feel for those poor Islamic sods who were born into the wrong religion then.

My atheism comes from the lack of any backed up evidence for a god whatsoever, religious intolerance and condemnation of others, including for the way they were born and the lack of any actions of said deity when it comes to suffering and a whole list of inhumane actions, I'm supposed to worship a entity that supposedly has the ability to create the universe yet allows the likes of Fritzl have his fill for almost two and a half decades, and turns a blind eye to thousands of children starve to death everyday. If by some chance there is a deity I really think it's him/her/it who has questions to answer.
 
TimPR78 said:
I know full well you know this but to explore a point further a persons religion isn't usually their choice which is part of the problem, find it amazing that people are convinced their religion is right the same religion that was pushed on them as fact, from a young age, and is usually prominent within their community. Just lucky I guess that they were born into a family and geographic area (not always I know) where, for example, Christianity is prominent. Must feel for those poor Islamic sods who were born into the wrong religion then.

My atheism comes from the lack of any backed up evidence for a god whatsoever, religious intolerance and condemnation of others, including for the way they were born and the lack of any actions of said deity when it comes to suffering and a whole list of inhumane actions, I'm supposed to worship a entity that supposedly has the ability to create the universe yet allows the likes of Fritzl have his fill for almost two and a half decades, and turns a blind eye to thousands of children starve to death everyday. If by some chance there is a deity I really think it's him/her/it who has questions to answer.
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That's one of the reasons why I don't believe in a religious God. He would surely be more sympathetic towards suffering?
However, I certainly don't rule out the possibility our universe was created by a creative force of some kind.
 
rangercol said:
That's one of the reasons why I don't believe in a religious God. He would surely be more sympathetic towards suffering?
However, I certainly don't rule out the possibility our universe was created by a creative force of some kind.
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I don't rule out the possibility as I'm sure is the case with most atheists, most would just like to see some tangible evidence. There was a debate a while back between Ken Ham (creationist) and Bill Nye the science guy. One questions that was asked was what would change your mind/stance on the subject. One said evidence the other said nothing would change their mind, I think you can all guess who gave which response
 
I think that our universe is more likely to be an experiment in a scientist's test tube than to be the creation of a religious God.
But who/what created the creator?
 
Nope I really know how the spirit inside us operates way above science . I would also suggest that bar nature disasters man is mainly responsible for the evil done to man

I respect open choice and viewpoints because I believe our day of death is already pre determined in a way and we miss the point entirely about how life is and what it is. I believe we are living a mess we generated and that's why I do everything I can to step out of it . We have all become so clever esp in the UK yet find it impossible to solve what seems to me easy problems. The transition I see every two weeks at times leaves me sad
The basics of right and wrong seem to be in most religions yet man bends the rules. Those fundenmentals I believe feed our spirits and souls in millions and millions of different ways
I certainly think that our Churches are completely lost and I never go because I believe you have your own spirit and soul connection to a higher being ... No idea what it is but I need no proof on how it feels

I know there is a difference in culture I experience and of course I rant about that but it's there. I receive cancer treatment ( no it's not a worry and its mild too much bloody sun and I get to see some very ill people who turn more to the spirit than the excellent advances in science. Some use a doctor as a God for sure but you can see and feel it first hand ... The spirit touches everyone and is still as powerful even stronger
To the scientists I say explain Deja vu
Explain exactly why profit is made from illness
I feel the biggest evil in the UK is anxiety and the stress that comes with that ... The spirit conquers that And it works and it's righteous

I do not accept male intercourse
I do however fully believe in love
 
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I believe men have every right to love other men no problem ... Love is everything IMO
But I cannot accept male intercourse on black and white biology grounds
Safe sex?
I believe there is a risk and connection to a virus that today takes more lives worldwide than it should

On this I cannot seem to move and I try everyday to keep an open mind but the older I get the more granite it becomes ... Just an old gits unimportant opinion and growing up in Brighton and watching the whole thing change has been alarming IMO

Expansion : I find the male abuse of women dreadful I find the temptation of what women do to attract men in today's culture troubling in the UK
All games I know but the perils are there to see ... It takes two to tango but so often there is control involved

Footballer made a mistake and his career gone. That's the price but was it right? For the other party to make case against
Both should of been punished IMO

I am thinking of starting a commune
 
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