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Tobes said:
Without kids and without locals you don't have a club that is rooted in its community.

Without that connection it would ultimately merely becomes a 'franchise' that could go where it wanted due to the lack of a local ties........sound familiar???

If tickets were £20 then the grounds would be full of the locals that have been forced out by the OOT'ers and the middle classes. Who don't ****ing sing - trust me. So yes of course the atmosphere would improve over time.
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It's not complicated is it?

Higher prices mean fewer regulars and more people going as a "special treat". Those people are more likely to do things like record the game on their phone and buy half and half scarves because it is a one-off for them and they want to create memories of THEIR VISIT, not actually support the team to achieve something.

Also why would they bother to learn songs and create banners that more regular fans do?

Then there's the longer term relationships known by people who have been so many times they remember a particular team/player/manager/referee from years ago when something special happened.

£100 ticket = you better give me £100 worth of entertainment you overpaid ****s, and there's no chance I'm ever bringing my kids
£20 ticket = this is cheaper than most other days out so I'm here to have as good a time as possible
 
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Tobes said:
Without kids and without locals you don't have a club that is rooted in its community.

Without that connection it would ultimately merely becomes a 'franchise' that could go where it wanted due to the lack of a local ties........sound familiar???

If tickets were £20 then the grounds would be full of the locals that have been forced out by the OOT'ers and the middle classes. Who don't ****ing sing - trust me. So yes of course the atmosphere would improve over time.
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Fair point but why was the atmosphere so good in 13/14?

Were the OOT'ers and middle classes cheering then? Or could the locals afford to go then but not anymore?
 
Jimmy Squarefoot said:
Fair point but why was the atmosphere so good in 13/14?

Were the OOT'ers and middle classes cheering then? Or could the locals afford to go then but not anymore?
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Ask Billy, it wasn't any different after the YAWN anthem.

It was outside with the bus greeting etc that it was more passionate.

Try and get a hotel room in Liverpool any Saturday during the season mate, and see how much you'll have to pay for the priveldge if you can find one......
 
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Jimmy Squarefoot said:
Playing devils advocate:

If the tickets were £20, would it improve the atmosphere?

Personally, I don't think it would. For me, I want cheaper tickets so it's the games are accessible for all - not just locals, not just kids.
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Playing devils advocate right back at you...

If tickets were £20 they would never be available!
 
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The greater the price the more likely it is to attract just foreigners and fair weather fans who aren't very hardcore in their support.
The lower the price, the easier it is for locals to attend who as I agree with Tobes, have the clubs history and support deeply rooted in them and in their families and friends.
 
jaffaklopp said:
The greater the price the more likely it is to attract just foreigners and fair weather fans who aren't very hardcore in their support.
The lower the price, the easier it is for locals to attend who as I agree with Tobes, have the clubs history and support deeply rooted in them and in their families and friends.
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From the convo I had on here yesterday I don't see how the out of towner wanting a special day is at odds with lower ticket prices..Ticket swap happens now, people will not go to games for various reasons.

You can have a tourist section that is relatively small for the Thompsons lot and still make season tickets and matchday tickets in the rest of the ground cheap enough to keep the accessability to locals a priority.

FSG's priority with the stadium was akways about the corporate extension. They've just tried their hand and attempted to squeeze a couple more million out of everybody..pricks.
 
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DirtyFrank said:
From the convo I had on here yesterday I don't see how the out of towner wanting a special day is at odds with lower ticket prices..Ticket swap happens now, people will not go to games for various reasons.

You can have a tourist section that is relatively small for the Thompsons lot and still make season tickets and matchday tickets in the rest of the ground cheap enough to keep the accessability to locals a priority.

FSG's priority with the stadium was akways about the corporate extension. They've just tried their hand and attempted to squeeze a couple more million out of everybody..pricks.
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If you go abroad it's easy enough to get tickets to a game as a visitor. Do they keep a percentage back for tourists?
 
DirtyFrank said:
From the convo I had on here yesterday I don't see how the out of towner wanting a special day is at odds with lower ticket prices..Ticket swap happens now, people will not go to games for various reasons.

You can have a tourist section that is relatively small for the Thompsons lot and still make season tickets and matchday tickets in the rest of the ground cheap enough to keep the accessability to locals a priority.

FSG's priority with the stadium was akways about the corporate extension. They've just tried their hand and attempted to squeeze a couple more million out of everybody..pricks.
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People profiteer out of their seaosn tickets, touting for want of a better word.

Easily sorted if the club's wanted to stop it, but they can't be arsed.
 
Tobes said:
People profiteer out of their seaosn tickets, touting for want of a better word.

Easily sorted if the club's wanted to stop it, but they can't be arsed.
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I don't see the problem if it's occasional if they can't make every game..more of a problem if they don't actually ever go and just tout as you say.

I just don't think it's an either or regarding locals and tourists...it's just about balance and focus...and as we have all discussed here the focus is currently wrong.
 
DirtyFrank said:
I don't see the problem if it's occasional if they can't make every game..more of a problem if they don't actually ever go and just tout as you say.

I just don't think it's an either or regarding locals and tourists...it's just about balance and focus...and as we have all discussed here the focus is currently wrong.
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There's no problem with it if it's just filling a seat because they can't make it.

But ask yourself this, would anyone go to that level of bother if there wasn't money to be made or if the season tickets weren't as costly as they are?

Arsenal have the most of this sort, I wonder why???

When I was a kid I used to get given my cousins season ticket if he couldn't make it through work or whatever......The next generation........there's a theme here <laugh>
 
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Looks like we're on the cusp of gaining our own Sherman franchisees btw

*prays*
 
Jimmy Squarefoot said:
Playing devils advocate:

If the tickets were £20, would it improve the atmosphere?

Personally, I don't think it would. For me, I want cheaper tickets so it's the games are accessible for all - not just locals, not just kids.
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Yes....yes it would.

I'm amazed you still don't understand the connection between a club and it's regular match goers nor the connection between a club and it's local community. You really must work for the club <whistle>

I'm amazed that you still seem to view it as some kind of locals vs the rest battle. It really isn't.

Like it or not there IS a connection between those of us who've been going for years, those who have spent years trudging up the hill from Sandhills station in the sleet and wind to try and make the kick off or fighting your way onto the bus after the game with yesterday's Saveaway and your thumb over the date (old days **** that) <laugh> LFC wouldn't survive without the people of the city. LFC wouldn't be what it is without them either.

Anfield is our cathedral, in our city. That doesn't make it exclusive to locals (just the opposite), it just makes it part of our identity, part of our lives....and the beauty of it always was that it was affordable to anyone whatever their background.

The fact a load of yanks use it to "expand their portfolio" and "reach into markets in the Far East" doesn't make it any less a part of the city. Just the opposite in fact....the clubs reach and influence could and should be used as a positive for Liverpool and its people. Unfortunately it's the other way round, FSG selling the clubs name/"brand" on the back of past success whilst bizarrely erasing any sense of identity the club might have in the future. As PR disasters go this is a whopper (Jen Chang can sleep easier now). Black flags and the first ever mid game walkout in the clubs history....wonder who'll take the rap for this one? :grin:

Tobes said:
Without kids and without locals you don't have a club that is rooted in its community.

Without that connection it would ultimately merely becomes a 'franchise' that could go where it wanted due to the lack of a local ties........sound familiar???

If tickets were £20 then the grounds would be full of the locals that have been forced out by the OOT'ers and the middle classes. Who don't ****ing sing - trust me. So yes of course the atmosphere would improve over time.
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Indeed....but there's no explaining it to some people it seems.
 
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I think £20 tickets could improve the atmosphere, but they'd have to be sold at the gates on the day IMO. If they were sold online then people would just buy them just to build credits up on their fan cards and flog them on to some poor Malaysian dude for £40+.
 
All it needs is one club to be brave, one established prem club to say, you know what, let's ignore the money making potential from ticket sales and sell them at proper affordable prices.

If one club did it the pressure on all others to follow would be immense and they'd have to follow suit. If for example Everton did it, then LFC would have to follow for fear of losing the next generation... Which in turn would force others whose fans are saying they are doing it why aren't we?

None of these clubs would therefore lose out to others in money making and instead of them all making 5m a year, they all make 2m.

Wheres a whacky owner with no care in the world for money when you need one....
 
The artist JerryChristmas said:
Yes....yes it would.

I'm amazed you still don't understand the connection between a club and it's regular match goers nor the connection between a club and it's local community. You really must work for the club <whistle>

I'm amazed that you still seem to view it as some kind of locals vs the rest battle. It really isn't.

Like it or not there IS a connection between those of us who've been going for years, those who have spent years trudging up the hill from Sandhills station in the sleet and wind to try and make the kick off or fighting your way onto the bus after the game with yesterday's Saveaway and your thumb over the date (old days **** that) <laugh> LFC wouldn't survive without the people of the city. LFC wouldn't be what it is without them either.

Anfield is our cathedral, in our city. That doesn't make it exclusive to locals (just the opposite), it just makes it part of our identity, part of our lives....and the beauty of it always was that it was affordable to anyone whatever their background.

The fact a load of yanks use it to "expand their portfolio" and "reach into markets in the Far East" doesn't make it any less a part of the city. Just the opposite in fact....the clubs reach and influence could and should be used as a positive for Liverpool and its people. Unfortunately it's the other way round, FSG selling the clubs name/"brand" on the back of past success whilst bizarrely erasing any sense of identity the club might have in the future. As PR disasters go this is a whopper (Jen Chang can sleep easier now). Black flags and the first ever mid game walkout in the clubs history....wonder who'll take the rap for this one? :grin:



Indeed....but there's no explaining it to some people it seems.
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As someone from outside Liverpool I agree. If the ticket prices are cheaper I'm still only going to go maybe 4 or 5 time a season due to the additional travel costs and distance and time. Going to Anfield has always been something I have to save for and is a special treat for me and in the past the ticket prices meant that I could afford it now and then but with the increase in ticket prices I've been forced away and no longer go. I'm a passionate Liverpool fan who turned up and sang my heart out as it was something special to me. So as well as the locals the increase also loses fans like myself.
 
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