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fran-MLs little camera said:
They were talking about Murray worrying about him....but I think the main one to worry about is a heavily pregnant woman who hears about her father's collapse on the other side of the world when her husband wasn't by her side. Pundits should be aware that not only famous people have feelings.
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I'm hoping that Jamie phoned Kim seeing as he saw her Dad in hospital before Andy did. Feel sorry for Ana Ivanovic too - her last two matches were delayed because of people collapsing in the stand. She lost today after a delay of about an hour (Nigel Sears coaches her) but she looked very concerned on the court.

Really chuffed to see Johanna Konta win today too
 
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On the other hand, remember that Scotland voted sensibly to stay in the Union whereas the chattering classes would have had them go alone and now be facing a huge financial deficit with the fall in income from North Sea gas.

I voted to go into the EU because of the financial benefits....now, despite the obvious financial difficulties, I would probably vote to come out so that we could set our own agendas on laws, rights and immigration. The EU has to prove to me that they have a plan for the crisis we face....otherwise, up with the drawbridge. Now, you will talk to others with completely the opposite views so I have no idea what the consensus would be. Most people go with what suits their own small world....not things on a larger scale. On the other hand, as shown in Scotland, people as a whole vote for the status quo rather than the unknown. Perhaps we should flip a coin.
 
St Godders said:
I never thought I would say or even think this but I am starting to veer towards voting for our EU exit.
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I would suggest that if we were ever silly enough to leave the EU, even with the present agitating Govt in place, we would regret it within 6-12 months as our economic and political influence in the world disappears.
 
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TheSecondStain said:
I would suggest that if we were ever silly enough to leave the EU, even with the present agitating Govt in place, we would regret it within 6-12 months as our economic and political influence in the world disappears.
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Agree 100%. It would also be the death-knell for the Union, as Scotland would certainly not want to leave the EU.
 
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Yes please, if it's possible. I ducked out of the forum during the election and I'm happy to do it if absolutely necessary (I know we're not even meant to have an off-topic) but I'd much rather just be able to stay and ignore the politics by avoiding a single thread.

OK if not possible.

Vin
 
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and as (I guess) we don't have any renowned world economists here the discussion would be pretty pointless. Not saying that if we did it wouldn't be anyway because there are already renowned world economists supporting each side. So the British Public has to choose which economist they believe when obviously they're both wrong or they'd agree. I'd support an Octopus called Ronald calling it!
 
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fatletiss said:
It's actually very scary. The "team" with the best media campaign and support are going to influence the 80%ers of our country who will vote based on the media campaigns. I really don't want the public voting on this. It's too important.
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I kind of agree with you there, but maybe it's worth having a bit more faith in the public. Democracy does work, just about. That's what I tell myself when I look at Donald Trump anyway; America is not collectively daft enough to make him President, and the British people are not quite daft enough to quit the EU.
 
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Archers Road said:
I kind of agree with you there, but maybe it's worth having a bit more faith in the public. Democracy does work, just about. That's what I tell myself when I look at Donald Trump anyway; America is not collectively daft enough to make him President, and the British people are not quite daft enough to quit the EU.
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Democracy does work, but for this vote I'd rather let the politicians decide. Sadly I don't have faith in enough of the public and that's the key for me.
 
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Archers Road said:
I kind of agree with you there, but maybe it's worth having a bit more faith in the public. Democracy does work, just about. That's what I tell myself when I look at Donald Trump anyway; America is not collectively daft enough to make him President, and the British people are not quite daft enough to quit the EU.
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I think it's more scary than actually very scary! It really looks like Donald Trump will at least be the Republican candidate. With facebook being the most influential news outlet for the masses I've no idea what will happen here and agreeing that this should not be left to the public to vote for I have no idea who should be voting. Politicians? really?
 
fatletiss said:
Democracy does work, but for this vote ID rather let the politicians decide. Sadly I don't have faith in enough of the public and that's the key for me.
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Well yeah, there are several issues I'd rather let politicians decide on; that's what they're elected to do after all. But it was a politician who decided - for political reasons - to let the public have their say. Hopefully a referendum will put the issue to bed, and silence the clamour of voices from within his own part who would otherwise make the PM's job impossible.

Of course, if it goes the other way we're in for a bumpy ride.
 
I think the point is that we don't really know how the UK makes it's money. We don't manufacture anything these days and we don't dig anything up. The bankers know how we make money. I don't. I'm guessing they'll make money however we vote.
 
SaintinSerbia said:
I think the point is that we don't really know how the UK makes it's money. We don't manufacture anything these days and we don't dig anything up. The bankers know how we make money. I don't. I'm guessing they'll make money however we vote.
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We manufacture much, much more than in the past. However, as a share of the economy, manufacturing has sunk as other areas have outgrown it. That decline in share of GDP is the figure that's repeatedly quoted to back up the "we don't make anything" myth.

http://www.theregister.co.uk/2010/02/22/manufacturing_figures/

Vin
 
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