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Super_Chelsea_Blue_Boys said:
D.G.C so are you suggesting that luck is the sole reason we won the league last season? The reason we are where we are this season is NOT because chickens are coming home to roost. It's because the players wanted Jose out. If you offer an alternative to that view point that doesn't follow that clearly obvious argument then it's your bias speaking.
I would also like to follow a counter to our luck being the sole reason for over a decade of success. The Champions League. Chelsea would have won this at least 3 times by now had it not been for clear handballs not given and penalty slips. Luck flows one way in all directions. Not in one league.
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Totally agree with this.
 
Stan said:
I think they're grateful for every point nowadays. They've had a bit of luck in recent weeks and they know that without the help of the officials they'd be one defeat away from the relegation zone.
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Unless of course the other teams around the bottom had some luck or bad decision. Would you also deduct their points? And without decisions and Fergie time, maybe you wouldn't have won so many titles. Who knows? I seem to remember a goal that Spurs had ruled out that was at least a yard over the line.
 
D.G.C. said:
But Spurs haven't had Chelsea's luck which is why they are where they are. You are where you should be because your luck's running out.. You should have been here 2 years ago but JM came back to spoil the prediction I made on the old BBC 606.
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You also haven't had Chelsea's players. Ever thought about that, oh obsessed one?
 
Blueman said:
Unless of course the other teams around the bottom had some luck or bad decision. Would you also deduct their points? And without decisions and Fergie time, maybe you wouldn't have won so many titles. Who knows? I seem to remember a goal that Spurs had ruled out that was at least a yard over the line.
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That goal gets trotted out every time someone claims United have had so much luck over the years. It was 11 years ago and you won the league that season! Given we won most games thanks to refereeing decisions surely there are countless other examples you could use just to be original!

The big teams get more favourable decisions than the smaller teams. Chelsea are still benefiting from that bias despite being in a relegation battle. The teams around them aren't being quite as fortunate.
 
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Stan said:
That goal gets trotted out every time someone claims United have had so much luck over the years. It was 11 years ago and you won the league that season! Given we won most games thanks to refereeing decisions surely there are countless other examples you could use just to be original!

The big teams get more favourable decisions than the smaller teams. Chelsea are still benefiting from that bias despite being in a relegation battle. The teams around them aren't being quite as fortunate.
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Fair enough but I refuse to believe that other teams don't get decisions that go for them. Gary Nevilles foul at WBA is another btw. The point I'm making is all teams get decisons for and against them. Not just Chelsea.
 
Blueman said:
Fair enough but I refuse to believe that other teams don't get decisions that go for them. Gary Nevilles foul at WBA is another btw. The point I'm making is all teams get decisons for and against them. Not just Chelsea.
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Well yes obviously.
 
Any discussion about how lucky any one team has been is a dead end really. No one has accurately analysed every team in every game. It is one of those things viewed through fan spectacles. If you look for the evidence for your opinion you will find it, no matter what your opinion is. People who believe certain players have been replaced by robots will find something to suggest it. Fate has no memory or favourite, **** happens.

How 'lucky' a team has been is merely an opportunity to wind others up.
 
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I think you'll find that you make your own luck. If you create good opportunities and put yourself in a position to capitalise on them then the 'luck' will be there more often than not.
 
Super_Chelsea_Blue_Boys said:
I think you'll find that you make your own luck. If you create good opportunities and put yourself in a position to capitalise on them then the 'luck' will be there more often than not.
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I don't think that necessarily true when it comes to refereeing decisions. It certainly helps that the top teams attack more so will get more questionable goals/penalties, just as they'll get more goals/penalties overall but referees are human and it makes sense for them to err on the side of a big club. Why risk the wrath of Ferguson/Wenger/Mourinho who might then object to you reffing their big games in future when the alternative is to piss off Eddie Howe/Pulis/Joe Bloggs who no one really listens to.

I'm not blaming refs or the big teams, with the exception of serial cheaters. It's just people protecting their career prospects, as we all do. Just a theory anyway.
 
Watford_R said:
I don't think that necessarily true when it comes to refereeing decisions. It certainly helps that the top teams attack more so will get more questionable goals/penalties, just as they'll get more goals/penalties overall but referees are human and it makes sense for them to err on the side of a big club. Why risk the wrath of Ferguson/Wenger/Mourinho who might then object to you reffing their big games in future when the alternative is to piss off Eddie Howe/Pulis/Joe Bloggs who no one really listens to.

I'm not blaming refs or the big teams, with the exception of serial cheaters. It's just people protecting their career prospects, as we all do. Just a theory anyway.
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Who is this Joe bloggs fella? Surely there can't be a manager out there we haven't employed and sacked already....<whistle>
 
Watford_R said:
I don't think that necessarily true when it comes to refereeing decisions. It certainly helps that the top teams attack more so will get more questionable goals/penalties, just as they'll get more goals/penalties overall but referees are human and it makes sense for them to err on the side of a big club. Why risk the wrath of Ferguson/Wenger/Mourinho who might then object to you reffing their big games in future when the alternative is to piss off Eddie Howe/Pulis/Joe Bloggs who no one really listens to.

I'm not blaming refs or the big teams, with the exception of serial cheaters. It's just people protecting their career prospects, as we all do. Just a theory anyway.
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Jokes aside, this post is pretty much spot on.
 
yeah, agree. To an extent Watford_R posts some sensible posts unlike some Spuds & goons wummers.
 
Watford is fine, mildly biased as we all are, but certainly not a WUM and makes sensible posts. <ok>
 
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