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Dare I suggest you don't really know what not trying looks like.

As I said and you ignored he has a puss on him for months and ****ed off as soon as he could.

No ill prove you wrong boss in him.

If you fail the first hurdle you can't win the race can you.

 

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Yet, when he finally got a run in the team (albeit in the wrong position), he was performed pretty well. And the lad was 19 ffs!!

What we need are more mentally tougher players like Milner and benteke right?

 

Add Suarez to that list. Who needed patience with him? No one. Why? Because from the minute he came through the gates he put "a shift in". He didn't stroll around like a Balo or a Marko thinking " hey, I'm talented so I don't need to work hard" Why must the two be mutually exclusive?

I don't think any fan I've ever met is happy to see their club sign players not up to the job however I think most will look at a player and judge them fairly on how they apply themselves if they get selected. Signing players not up to the job is the clubs fault but when a skillful player isn't willing to combine his talents with a decent work ethic then that is down to the individual.

 

The challenge to list the players who would be in a real top 4 squad in 3 years hence.

First team players.

Ermmmmm....

This is where I trash everyone. Cos frankly if they don't learn from errors and start showing improvement none are.

1. Can.. it's not schoolboy football. . Pass it ffs, don't hold it and have to run with it every time.

2. Sahko. Keep on your feet and learn positioning to anticipate, stop believing you are better than you actually are on the ball.

3. Sorry not one other.

Squad players.

Clyne due to being English. Basically a bit limited.
Henderson as reserve cm. Technically limited but can run. Hard work but should play deeper
Coutinho. Just about kid. Learn to not define your efforts by others efforts to pick the right pass and be consistent not a one in five player.

After this it gets thin fast.... I too will leave off everyone I see being sold off.

Young players
Gomez will be there
Ibe will be there
Ojo
Randall
Ward
Brannigan
Allan


Finally utility squad players for the hg

Flanagan



I don't think Jimmy read that properly as lucas and Allen wrre on the list he just said ok to in 3 years!

If we want to be 7th we've done ok. Top 4?

You can get by with quite a few honestly but we've way too many

 

But how do you quantify work rate? Distance covered? I've seen so many people call Firmino lazy but he's one of the hardest working attackers in the league - but because he doesn't run around like a mad man, it's not all that visible.

Our centre backs don't run around a lot - but that doesn't mean they don't work hard. And that's the issue I have - apparently Markovic wasn't hard working but he was playing right wing back and had to bomb up and down the flank.

 

Allen is an ok squad option. Lucas needs binning ASAP.

 

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This makes me sad...

 

In summary:

Over the past 5 years, we spent -
£60m at Southampton
£52.5m at Aston Villa
£41m at Newcastle

Mid table players

 

Joe Allen has had no contact from the club about a new contract despite entering the final 18-months of his deal. #lfc (Paul Joyce)

 

Not worried about Migs's 5 year deal - this contract was in the pipeline before Klopp arrived.

If Klopp doesn't like Migs, he won't be playing. Simple.

 

Is there anyone in our team that you wouldn't wait until the end of the season to offer a new contract if that was the situation? Except Mignolet.....apparently...

 

Jon Flanagan, Jordan Rossiter & Jerome Sinclair are all out of contract this summer & have been unable to agree new deals so far. (Joyce)

 

dear oh dear.

Ok arsenal have flamini
City have fernando
Spurs are playing deir there and have a couple lads like carroll
Cheslea have mikel


LFC have allen....

the prem never gets past first knockouts in CL any more... possible reason....

allen... jeez.. go talk to magic about allen love in.

 

15m at swansea (allen)
26m at sunderland (hendo and mig)

list goes on really

 

yup.

Flanagan is REALLY lucky to be on 20k a week this year for doing rehab. if i were paid a mil to rehab i'd do it.

Rossiter has no excuse. sign anythign handed to him.

sinclair is being greedy.

 

Joe Allen has been here since 2012 and bar a single goal a week ago has not provided any return for money. Part of our problems stem from the fact that we put up with mediocrity like that. The Stewart Downing effect. A frustratingly below average player puts together a month of "not as terrible" football and we tell ourselves maybe he is good enough now. He's not and never will be.

There are a few in this squad I'd retain. Ings, Sturridge, Origi. Firmino, Henderson, Coutinho, Markovic and Can. Sakho, Moreno, Clyne, Gomez.

The rest I see as upgradable. The ones above have potential but they need to start working to fulfill it.

I think one of our issues is playing a single striker system. 4-2-3-1 is the most popular formation in Europe now, but its essentially a defensive one. Two holding midfielders, 4 defenders, leaves a pair of wingers and a CAM as sole support for the striker. The striker is isolated and expected to track back to pick up the ball and run with it at 10 defenders.

Many theories lately point to Suarez dragging our 2013/14 squad to second, surrounded by ****. But I contend that in that system, we played our best football with excellent results. That system was the 4-4-2 diamond. The issue with it is that it lacks width - the fullbacks have to act as wingers. With fullbacks like Johnson or Enrique or Flanagan (who I rate) there is an issue with the attack not having the support due to their pace. But today we possess two excellent fullbacks in Moreno and Clyne. Pacey and while not 100% Dani Alves, they'd do a better job than the ones we had.

We then need a single pivot or defensive midfielder. Lucas has looked good when playing there alone. He is not as good when in a pair there - as his space to run is limited, and he hesitates to tackle when he knows he should have backup. But alone he has had good results and usually is solid. At a push, if our CBs need more cover than that, Can can play there. Ahead of him there are two CM spots. Henderson should be one of them. I'm a big admirer of his and I don't subscribe to MITO's donkey description of him. He's not been his best this season, and that is doubly worse because of his captaincy, but he's been injured and out of the squad. He's still fairly young and he does have quality. He needs to be surrounded by quality as well though. I think next to him would be perfect for Coutinho or in the future, Grujic. Coutinho does well from deep when he has players ahead and behind. He usually struggles when he bursts forward and no one is within twenty feet of him, and he has no one to pass to.

In the ten role we can put Firmino. If he fails to replicate his Arsenal game then Coutinho can take back that spot. Markovic also played incredibly well at the 10 role in Portugal.

This leaves two strikers. I'm not sure what the best path to success is for them. Fit, Sturridge is one. His partner either needs to complement him by being a big knockdown, aerial Benteke type, or a skillful strike partner like Ings. Hell, I'm the last Liverpool supporter to not think that Balotelli was all that bad. He could do as well. I think Balotelli was the most isolated LFC striker I had ever seen. His support was non existent. He got more support from fans in the terraces holding him back than he did from Lallana. With a partner he played pretty well. However he isn't a lone striker and if we are going to persist with one solitary figure up top we shouldn't bother with him.


Overall I think this an important window for us. Sign someone now for us to stabilise the ship, compete in cups, and for them get used to the team. Without the pressure of a full season, a player can use the second half of the league to get acclimatised to the Prem. I'm sick of seeing Lallana and Allen. I'm sick of hearing the mentality of "Shane Long would improve us". That's the mentality that got us where we are today. Klopp's reputation means we can dare to dream. We can try to sign the Sanchez's and Lacazette's and Griezmann's of the world. Forget Shane Long and Nikica Jelavic. Forget Allen and Lambert and Lallana.

 

I'm all for forgetting those but just think on this.

Do a quick compare of herrera to henderson...

Let's say henderson is more physical, more able to get about etc etc... great fine.

Now look to technique. Let's be serious here. If herrera gets a chance to shoot like henderson did 4 times he'd get them on target. Look at how he lines himself to his target and strikes through the ball.... look at henderson lashing at the target with no target. It can go anywhere at times.

There is a gulf between a henderson and a real technical player.. . This is why I say the guy would be a good holding player as he has the ability to get everywhere and playing deeper he can actually play a reasonable longer pass... trust me on this guys that's he best position.