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Maybe I can assemble all the questions and posts Tobes dodged, but he'll delude himself into thinking it never happened.

Care to make your glacier point or will you get bored and go home.. again

AStro disappeared, is it because he is searching for a debunk to that new paper? Or because he got mullered? hmmmm?
 
Sisu your latest copy and paste vomit is from a climate denier blog, please provide the direct link to the paper (and do this from now on as well)

Also, no one is even arguing the agreement might be good for 11,000 years, but why does it become so bad for the last 30-40 years, what changed?
 
Tobes and Astro have made the same arguments over and over, I debunk them and 2 months later, the same arguments
astroturfnaut said:
Sisu your latest copy and paste vomit is from a climate denier blog, please provide the direct link to the paper (and do this from now on as well)

Also, no one is even arguing the agreement might be good for 11,000 years, but why does it become so bad for the last 30-40 years, what changed?
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Actually, the paper's journal link was posted, the data from NASA's equipment. The site just reported on it cos alarmist media will not, someone has to.

You also used a religious term "denier" because well, you have no answer. Care to take on the actual argument? Instead of crying?
[HASHTAG]#meltdown[/HASHTAG]
[HASHTAG]#astrostyle[/HASHTAG]
 
BringBackFootie. said:
Tobes and Astro have made the same arguments over and over, I debunk them and 2 months later, the same arguments




Actually, the paper's journal link was posted, the data from NASA's equipment. The site just reported on it cos alarmist media will not, someone has to.

You also used a religious term "denier" because well, you have no answer. Care to take on the actual argument? Instead of crying?
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So repeat the direct link
 
astroturfnaut said:
Sisu your latest copy and paste vomit is from a climate denier blog, please provide the direct link to the paper (and do this from now on as well)

Also, no one is even arguing the agreement might be good for 11,000 years, but why does it become so bad for the last 30-40 years, what changed?
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Right on both points.

At 9.30 this morning, there was no lag between solar activity and temperature. Now that the current data has been posted (and not data that ended 20 years ago) which clearly shows the current downward curve in solar activity, compared to a continuing upward temperature curve, his 'scientific' conclusion has completely changed, and there's now a 40 year lag, which has of course been concluded by a deniers website.Funny that.
 
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The group think by you two is really sad, when faced with a superior opponent on a matter you band together and form consensus


@astroturfnaut
You post from alarmist site, and then claim I use denier site. Hypocrisy?

Abstract
The solar impact on the Earth's climate change is a long topic with intense debates. Based on the reconstructed data of solar sunspot number (SSN), the local temperature in Vostok (T), and the atmospheric CO2 concentration data of Dome Concordia, we investigate the periodicities of solar activity, the atmospheric CO2 and local temperature in the inland Antarctica as well as their correlations during the past 11,000 years before AD 1895. We find that the variations of SSN and T have some common periodicities, such as the 208 year (yr), 521 yr, and ~1000 yr cycles. The correlations between SSN and T are strong for some intermittent periodicities. However, the wavelet analysis demonstrates that the relative phase relations between them usually do not hold stable except for the millennium-cycle component. The millennial variation of SSN leads that of T by 30–40 years, and the anti-phase relation between them keeps stable nearly over the whole 11,000 years of the past. As a contrast, the correlations between CO2 and T are neither strong nor stable. These results indicate that solar activity might have potential influences on the long-term change of Vostok's local climate during the past 11,000 years before modern industry.

http://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S1364682614002685
 
Meh, like arguing with the church in times past, they just won't believe the earth is not flat.

The saddest thing is two nitwits arguing a subject they had opinions on before they even know what the subject was. <doh>

At least you two fools learned something this past few months <ok>

Well not Tobes, he's too dim to even grasp this not so difficult stuff

It's like arguing with people who suffer with Alzheimers, they keep making the same arguments every 2 or 3 months forgetting they already got debunked. <doh>

[HASHTAG]#goingroundincircles[/HASHTAG]
 
Tobes said:
Right on both points.

At 9.30 this morning, there was no lag between solar activity and temperature. Now that the current data has been posted (and not data that ended 20 years ago) which clearly shows the current downward curve in solar activity, compared to a continuing upward temperature curve, his 'scientific' conclusion has completely changed, and there's now a 40 year lag, which has of course been concluded by a deniers website.Funny that.
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It is also interesting why some of the charts he uses have not been updated since 2000, maybe it because he's too busy telling everyone how stupid they are and by default how intellectually superior he is.
Talking of theories and proof, has anyone debunked my drunken rant about why he needs to do this?
 
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BringBackFootie. said:
The group think by you two is really sad, when faced with a superior opponent on a matter you band together and form consensus


@astroturfnaut
You post from alarmist site, and then claim I use denier site. Hypocrisy?

Abstract
The solar impact on the Earth's climate change is a long topic with intense debates. Based on the reconstructed data of solar sunspot number (SSN), the local temperature in Vostok (T), and the atmospheric CO2 concentration data of Dome Concordia, we investigate the periodicities of solar activity, the atmospheric CO2 and local temperature in the inland Antarctica as well as their correlations during the past 11,000 years before AD 1895. We find that the variations of SSN and T have some common periodicities, such as the 208 year (yr), 521 yr, and ~1000 yr cycles. The correlations between SSN and T are strong for some intermittent periodicities. However, the wavelet analysis demonstrates that the relative phase relations between them usually do not hold stable except for the millennium-cycle component. The millennial variation of SSN leads that of T by 30–40 years, and the anti-phase relation between them keeps stable nearly over the whole 11,000 years of the past. As a contrast, the correlations between CO2 and T are neither strong nor stable. These results indicate that solar activity might have potential influences on the long-term change of Vostok's local climate during the past 11,000 years before modern industry.

http://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S1364682614002685
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It gets boring if you're just going to flat out lie. Here are the direct links I gave:

astroturfnaut said:
The original paper: http://www.friendsofscience.org/assets/files/documents/Solar Cycle - Friis-Chr_Lassen-.pdf

The paper where the author of the original paper admits the first one was wrong: http://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/stor...tr&s=8ade7d906975165b86b94dfd4eab19cb539904fd

Some more papers that conclude the original paper was wrong:
http://www.nature.com/nature/journal/v360/n6402/abs/360328a0.html
http://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S1364682698001552
http://adsabs.harvard.edu/abs/1999GeoRL..26.2469D
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Anyway, I can't read the link you gave because it is $40 to access. But did you read the abstract (which you also quoted above)? Did you read the last 3 words?
 
BringBackFootie. said:
The group think by you two is really sad, when faced with a superior opponent on a matter you band together and form consensus


@astroturfnaut
You post from alarmist site, and then claim I use denier site. Hypocrisy?

Abstract
The solar impact on the Earth's climate change is a long topic with intense debates. Based on the reconstructed data of solar sunspot number (SSN), the local temperature in Vostok (T), and the atmospheric CO2 concentration data of Dome Concordia, we investigate the periodicities of solar activity, the atmospheric CO2 and local temperature in the inland Antarctica as well as their correlations during the past 11,000 years before AD 1895. We find that the variations of SSN and T have some common periodicities, such as the 208 year (yr), 521 yr, and ~1000 yr cycles. The correlations between SSN and T are strong for some intermittent periodicities. However, the wavelet analysis demonstrates that the relative phase relations between them usually do not hold stable except for the millennium-cycle component. The millennial variation of SSN leads that of T by 30–40 years, and the anti-phase relation between them keeps stable nearly over the whole 11,000 years of the past. As a contrast, the correlations between CO2 and T are neither strong nor stable. These results indicate that solar activity might have potential influences on the long-term change of Vostok's local climate during the past 11,000 years before modern industry.

http://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S1364682614002685
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Also dont forget astrofreeak, NASA have recently Oct 2015 published a paper saying the antarctic has been in a 10000 year process that backs this paper up somewhat.
 
astroturfnaut said:
It gets boring if you're just going to flat out lie. Here are the direct links I gave:



Anyway, I can't read the link you gave because it is $40 to access. But did you read the abstract (which you also quoted above)? Did you read the last 3 words?
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[HASHTAG]#excuses[/HASHTAG]
[HASHTAG]#meltdown[/HASHTAG]
 
Sisu's evidence of no AGW, requoted for emphasis

Abstract
The solar impact on the Earth's climate change is a long topic with intense debates. Based on the reconstructed data of solar sunspot number (SSN), the local temperature in Vostok (T), and the atmospheric CO2 concentration data of Dome Concordia, we investigate the periodicities of solar activity, the atmospheric CO2 and local temperature in the inland Antarctica as well as their correlations during the past 11,000 years before AD 1895. We find that the variations of SSN and T have some common periodicities, such as the 208 year (yr), 521 yr, and ~1000 yr cycles. The correlations between SSN and T are strong for some intermittent periodicities. However, the wavelet analysis demonstrates that the relative phase relations between them usually do not hold stable except for the millennium-cycle component. The millennial variation of SSN leads that of T by 30–40 years, and the anti-phase relation between them keeps stable nearly over the whole 11,000 years of the past. As a contrast, the correlations between CO2 and T are neither strong nor stable. These results indicate that solar activity might have potential influences on the long-term change of Vostok's local climate during the past 11,000 years before modern industry.
 
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I posted the data, and you ignored it, whomever wrote the article did pay for it so you have the data, you complete idiot <laugh>
[HASHTAG]#denial[/HASHTAG]
 
astroturfnaut said:
Sisu's evidence of no AGW, requoted for emphasis

Abstract
The solar impact on the Earth's climate change is a long topic with intense debates. Based on the reconstructed data of solar sunspot number (SSN), the local temperature in Vostok (T), and the atmospheric CO2 concentration data of Dome Concordia, we investigate the periodicities of solar activity, the atmospheric CO2 and local temperature in the inland Antarctica as well as their correlations during the past 11,000 years before AD 1895. We find that the variations of SSN and T have some common periodicities, such as the 208 year (yr), 521 yr, and ~1000 yr cycles. The correlations between SSN and T are strong for some intermittent periodicities. However, the wavelet analysis demonstrates that the relative phase relations between them usually do not hold stable except for the millennium-cycle component. The millennial variation of SSN leads that of T by 30–40 years, and the anti-phase relation between them keeps stable nearly over the whole 11,000 years of the past. As a contrast, the correlations between CO2 and T are neither strong nor stable. These results indicate that solar activity might have potential influences on the long-term change of Vostok's local climate during the past 11,000 years before modern industry.
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That's not even an argument, it's what? <laugh>

You thick ****, go away, you are not even close to grasping this <laugh>
 
AStro mullered again and spooling crap at 40 words per minute.

You are an embarrassment to educated people everywhere, you pathological clown., Take your denial delusion and hyperbolic paraphrasing elsewhere
 
BringBackFootie. said:
AStro mullered again and spooling crap at 40 words per minute.

You are an embarrassment to educated people everywhere, you pathological clown., Take your denial delusion and hyperbolic paraphrasing elsewhere
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[HASHTAG]#beforemodernindustry[/HASHTAG]
 
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