Tan and the future

[Oldsparkey]

Tan's absence from club matches since his milking of the colour change fixture against Fulham last season says it all. He has no interest at all in the footballing progress at City and is only still here because of pride.

Tan doesn't need to get rich - he is rich. He could walk away from City, get back what he could through a fire sale and not bat an eyelid. He certainly wouldn't starve and the only thing that prevents him doing so is it would be an admission of business failure. No one likes losing money, particularly a business man like Tan, but whilst the loss of a large proportion of his investment would be a factor I'm convinced it's not the prime reason for staying.

He really does want to succeed, but for his own means and in his own way - it's a business not a game and that's how he sees it. He's convinced adulation and praise from club supporters and the media should we eventually regain Prem status would naturally follow on top of recouping a fair chunk (if not all) of his dosh. Above all he would have been a success.

I hope he's learned at least one thing from our last excursion up there. The secret on both counts would be staying up there and not plummeting back down through useless management decisions by him and whoever he appoints to run the footballing side of the club, because he clearly can't.

 

[BluefromBridgend]

The real danger is not so much him deciding to pull out (loss of face and all that rather than money would influence that decision) but to declare withdrawal of ongoing financial support. I doubt very much if we can pay our way on the meagre crowds we now have and the parachute payments are shrinking (1 more season after this?).

If he says "No more" then we will face a Bolton type situation, with similar debts, very quickly.

That would be very bad news all round with no obvious queue of billionaires wanting to take us on. .

 

[Stevoldinho]

If he leaves us at any point and plunges us into administration all he'll have achieved is delaying the inevitable. We were completely broke when he arrived and dependent on millions being pumped in.
What is interesting is can the club survive without repaying interest/loans to Tan. There is little point in him taking money out which he only has to put back in.

He's mentioned on numerous occasions converting loans to equity and owning a debt free club. The change back to blue was a major kick in the bollocks for Tan and no one really knows where is head is since. He's not in the media talking **** all the time but that is a good thing. He's 1 of about 13000 people who seem to have lost all interest since relegation. I will admit he's a pretty important 1 though!

I don't think he'll want to destroy what he's built. You have to remember he's invested heavily in the infrastructure of the club. Training grounds and stadium expansion are not the behaviour of someone in it for the short term.

Surely if he does go we wont have to survive on meagre crowds though as they'll all come flooding back through the gates like they promised when we went back to Blue............

 

[isawronnymoorescore]

The one thing i really dont get is the drop off in the crowds this season. I know whats been on offer has been dire at times, however i think things have improved in the last month or 2 and we are playing some decent football. I think it lies firmly at the feet in the 'Blue is the colour' gobshytes. To quote, we will fill the stadium when we go back to blue, only for them then to convert the colours issue to. We are not coming back until Slade is out. Hypocrites and part timers come to mind, i am of the opinion they are little more than plastic arm chair fans, notice i did not use the word supporters when refering to all of the anti Tan/Slade splinter groups we seem to have. There are amazingly still some pro Malky Mackay supporters out there, wtf is that all about. Looking at the team now compared to MM's team that got promoted we are not far away from that, plus MM's style of football was little better than Slades. If we get to the play off's or better will the crowds return, i would think so, will the missing thousands swallow thier pride and embrace the success i doubt it also. The stay aways on the whole are a little bitter and twisted to say the least. I just have a sneaky feeling we may well be successful this season as we have a very decent squad.

 

[whiffletree]

There are amazingly still some pro Malky Mackay supporters out there, wtf is that all about.

Count me as one....you can wtf all you like, but I've as much right to my opinion as you do yours.

Yes I think Malky was shafted big time, but don't assume that 'cos I'm pro Malky, I'm one of the 'Blue Is The Colour 'Godshytes'' (Your words) or anti-Slade.....I'm neither.

notice i did not use the word supporters when refering to all of the anti Tan/Slade splinter groups we seem to have

Can't you be anti Slade but pro Tan?
Can't you be anti Tan but pro Slade?
Why if someone is either, can't they be supporters?
Can't I be a supporter if I strongly disagree with what you're saying?
Can't I hold my own opinions without belonging to a splinter group?

Sometimes ronny people stop going to matches because they get called names.

I'll continue to support my team regardless of what colour they play in, who the current owner is, who the current manager is,
what division they're in. After all these variables change, but the club will continue in some form or other long after the words
red/blue, Tan, Mckay, Slade fade into memory.

 

[isawronnymoorescore]

I am not calling anyone names and people are entitled to their opinions, what i object to is the leaders of these splinter groups trying to impose their views on others who then follow blindly and are incapable on the whole of making their own decisions, which is sad, but mainly due to some to the bullying tactics that these characters have used both in the present and the past. Every club has them and it is difficult to deal with what comes across is hatred which can also be defined as jealousy. Since we have had success, all of which is in the last 10 years or so, people ridiculing the higher management of the club comes to the fore, albeit Ridsdale, Tan or anyone else they can drain down on. The choice of managers apart from Jones imo, has been woeful. However i do class myself as a supporter as i pay for my season ticket on a yearly basis. My opinion and my opinion alone is, there are other non attending supporters who cannot get to the game allbeit whether they are unable to either medically or financially, but those who can afford it and do not attend are a Fan.

 

[DaiJones]

I think that Tan will be at Cardiff for a few years yet, he was a bit naïve with the purse strings for MM & OGS. Slade was brought in to put it back to a better footing. I think the Prem has been put on the back burner for a year or two, however if we get a change earlier he will take it.

 

[DaiJones]

........... My opinion and my opinion alone is, there are other non attending supporters who cannot get to the game allbeit whether they are unable to either medically or financially, but those who can afford it and do not attend are a Fan.

I've had some good news, I'm not epileptic so got my driving licence back. Hope to get a half season ticket and see a few more matches than the first half.

 

[BluefromBridgend]

I've had some good news, I'm not epileptic so got my driving licence back. Hope to get a half season ticket and see a few more matches than the first half.

Great news Dai.

 

[Oldsparkey]

Good for you Dai - I hope you get to see a few outcomes at City that come somewhere near as good as your epilepsy result.

 

[ninian opinion]

My humble opinion is that if Tan is looking at this commercially then his best option is to take this investment seriously and enhance its assets by removing the head of its operation (Slade), and replacing him with a manager who has experience in attaining the next level (eg Pearson). adding some experienced players with the intent on moving up this most average league.

The football club is going sideways. Now is the time for active and positive change,

SLADEOUT NOW

 

[remote]

Tan is accountable for a number of our issues usually relating to no footballing experience.

Lim didn't understand the commercials around player signings, let MM run riot and run up huge bills. He was removed after the dust settled but should have hung out to dry. Then Tan puts his own man in the hot seat. Enough said.

Ridsdale was a clown and Sam dangerous, but they were both footballing men. On that note, Dalman has previous in football but seems very quiet.

Tan could do worse than appoint a Director of Football and move forward from there (that is assuming he appoints a footballing man into the role).

 

[Oldsparkey]

Unless there are some FFP issues that we don't know about, I don't understand why Tan shouldn't push the boat out in January.

If he has the confidence he's expressed in the past in Slade and his assistants on the footballing front, there is no reason not to go for it this season given the dearth of quality we've faced so far in this division - top 6 is there for the taking.

I'm worried that he really hasn't the real confidence in Slade and Co that he's indicated, and we'll end up with mediocre additions like Slade's choices so far.

Watt appears to be the exception and he should be grasped with both hands - trouble is it's a big ask for the lad to solve all our problems.

It'll take another front man (not try Revell again FFS!) and someone to settle in front of the back 4 - I'm not convinced we have that sort of player at the club and that includes Dikgacoi who has disappeared for the moment.

Will Tan have the confidence to hand Slade/Dalman/Choo around the £5M mark to get some quality in?

 

[Hilts24]

Slade should just be sacked.

Bring in Bellamy and give him sensible backing with the target of promotion by 2017.

Crowds are down because of the dire football , Slade and the lack of ambition

Im not a Malky fan but a fan of Cardiff City.

However his side is miles better than Slades. Also hes tactically light years ahead of Jones and Slade. I actually think Slade is better tactically than Jones (not by much though)

He messed up big time with the Premier money. But lets not forget the team was left in a right mess by Dave Jones and within 2 years wed been promoted and a couple of decent penalty kicks from the League Cup.

Malky blew money but hes also the only manager who has delivered on the backing given to him. Jones failed.

 

[isawronnymoorescore]

I've had some good news, I'm not epileptic so got my driving licence back. Hope to get a half season ticket and see a few more matches than the first half.

Great news Dai, would be good to meet up before one game for a sherbert or two, usually go in the Canton Vaults prior, mainly because its a good atmosphere with the old fart type of supporters and you can get 2 mixed grills for a tenner

 

[FrankfurterBlue]

Excellent news Dai. Now get your arse down there and sort things out on the pitch.
As for the definition of 'fan'. we all have differing ones I suspect. I consider myself a fan but would struggle to recognise anyone in the team and haven't been to the ground but once in thirty years.....distance tends to do that.
But the interest never dies and never will till I turn up my toes.
I've not given up the dream and will follow even in the depths of lower leagues.
I too think that ATan will stick with it even if he loses a bit of interest (of both types!!!). There's nothing for him to gain by pulling the plug and when things get better, he will drop in again.

 

[aberdude]

for some sick reason ive got this image of you in my head dai.......

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[aberdude]

anyway bk 2 thread,........there is no future......we are fkd its just a question of when we will rise again under a new name

 

[remote]

As for the definition of 'fan'. we all have differing ones I suspect. I consider myself a fan but would struggle to recognise anyone in the team and haven't been to the ground but once in thirty years.....distance tends to do that.
But the interest never dies and never will till I turn up my toes.

I can relate to that Frankfurter. Not the same distance for me, but far enough to make getting to games time prohibitive with the other things going on in my life. Tend to get to an away game or two when they play in the North West getting abuse hurled at me by the City fans as I'm usually sat with the opposition (not targeting me specifically, just the area I'm in).

Listen to most games on the radio and follow on line as well as chat on here when the games are on. With t'internet its much easier to be an 'active' remote fan than 20 years ago. You can read a lot more and follow what is going on. Through the sky box I tend to watch the BBC / ITV Wales channels rather than North West so I can hear what is said about Welsh teams rather than Bolton and Rochdale and Rugby League. Also use the sky box to get radio Wales much to the annoyance of the rest of the household when they want to watch something else.

Fan is an abbreviation of fanatic, so the fact that I spend as much time as I do reading, listening, agonising over what goes on with the club, in my eyes make me a fanatic. If people disagree with that it's their problem not mine.

 

[BluefromBridgend]

Nice posts from FFB and Remote.

I think being a fan for life is a bit of an old farts thing (no offence guys). Younger fans today tend to change favourite teams with the tide depending on who is successful. This is pretty obvious around Bridgend which has been a Bluebirds town for as long as I can remember (best part of 50 years) but with our demise and the rise of the Jacks (both temporary I hope) I see a lot more grubby white Swans shirts around the town. I could get into so much trouble just wandering around Tesco. Do they have banning orders for football related incidents in shops?